three days after russia invades starts their "special operation" of course...

Butt it's Us aNd NAtO's fAulT

clearly. mastermind biden MADE pootin attack ukraine (again). had russia not attacked, biden and stoltenberg would have disguised themselves as ukrainians and invaded russia to steal all their track suits and fur caps. meaning all the civilians that russia is killing in ukraine right now are ACTUALLY being murdered by NATO and the US. that's just basic logic. anyone who doesn't blindly follow CNN knows that...

Nothing says good luck like a Brimstone missile.
I'm sure Russian conscripts won't mind catching one to the face for the valid cause...
What was it again?

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jan 20 2023 08:24pm

Yes, more Russians and more Ukrainians will die because of the decisions to send Brimstone missiles, what a win for freedom and democracy.

It doesn't matter if the cause is valid or not, if the Russian government tells them "go here and shoot this" that is what they will do, just like most armies in world.

And just so you don't do you usual "ignore everything someone says and accuse them of dodging" shtick

The cause is increasing US/NATO/Western interference into their sphere of influence after repeated attempts to settle the situation diplomatically, which has been reiterated to you about a thousand times now.

If you have a problem with that answer, and I know you will, please take it up with the Russians and see if you can convince them otherwise, it would seriously help the entire world if you could.

Oh and before you do your whole "that doesn't JUSTIFY killing blah blah blah", you are right, it doesn't and I'm not saying it does nor has anyone except maybe Sharatnik?

And what was Russia's alternative to invading Ukraine? Not invading Ukraine? Not supporting Ukraine's right to exist as a sovereign country, and abandoning the ethnic Russian majority to the ongoing NATO siege of the east? Ceding their geopolitical sphere to American aggression until they've got nothing beyond their own borders?

This kind of logic isn't circular and isn't morally relativistic, it has finite grounding. The facts are that in this conflict, America provoked an inevitable reaction, Russia responded. We pushed NATO right up to their borders and put them into a corner, we overthrew the democratic government in Ukraine to set up our own pro-NATO dictatorship, and Russia finally reached a breaking point. Then when they hit back, we turn around and accuse them of being the aggressors. We could have simply chosen to preserve status quo in Ukraine circa 2014, but Joe Biden micromanaged a color revolution instead and handpicked the new government of willing stooges to the CIA. And when Joe Biden became president and was faced with a Russian buildup on the border, and dithered and said we would not try to intervene to stop an invasion- we could have simply followed through and let Russia reclaim control of the country. Which might have given Ukraine less sovereignty than the status quo ante we had thrown out the window, but which obviously and undeniably was a better outcome for the Ukrainian people. Who had spent centuries or millenia under the Russian sphere save for these short few years of NATO meddling, and its not like they were facing daily horrors of nu-holodomors or cossacks again, they had their shitty peaceful lives.


From some moralizing lens, the war is clearly bad. We're giving heavy weaponry to nazi insurrectionists to get as many poor people killed as we can in hopes of killing some more russians. But I've always said that what matters is the pragmatic geopolitical lens, in which our intervention is still self-destructive because we're fracturing our relationships with the unaligned world and driving them into the Russian/Chinese camps, strengthening the bonds of our two greatest rivals, tanking our own economy and still going to come out of the whole thing with Russia holding onto the only valuable parts of Ukraine while we earn nothing but a bunch of hungry mouths to feed, except this time around they're not muslims but we don't have any food anyway because Russia holds the grain now lmao

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jan 20 2023 10:48pm

how many kremlin lies can you put into one post while still claiming to look at it from an unbiased perspective?

goon-shill: yes!

Low effort troll

Correct. But the reason why he didn't do that is not negotiations as you claim, but rather the economic weakness of his USSR and the unsustainability of the whole Eastern bloc.




People do not need a justification to travel to a country as tourists. They absolutely do need a justification if they want to permanently resettle in a foreign country in pursuit of a better life. Particularly if they expect to gain access to their new home's welfare system. No one is entitled to that, a human right to migrate to any country of one's choosing simply doesn't exist. Conversely, any sovereign country has the right to choose which migrants it takes in (and tries to integrate) and which ones it rejects.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 21 2023 01:31am

Russia is weak and useless, but so is Ukraine, to an even greater extent. (Which isn't surprising since Russia is three times as large.) The assertion that Russia is weak is not a contradiction to the notion that they could capture Ukraine if Ukraine was left without Western support. Most of the economic sanctions were a mistake. Only idiots and some Eastern European warmongers claim that Russia could genuinely take over Europe. Logistics and manpower make it very obvious that they couldn't do it even if they wanted to.




The true purpose of this war is to prove that the West is still capable and willing to defend the international order, at least when its own core interests are affected. Letting Russia invade and annex or control a sovereign nation in Europe's immediate vincinity with impunity would have set a catastrophic signal to the rest of the world. Particularly with regard to China/Taiwan, where much more crucial economic interests are affected. The geostrategic goal of the war in Ukraine is not so much to rein in "the Russian menace", it's to make Xi think twice before he pulls the trigger on invading Taiwan.

The economic fallout from the war in Ukraine is bad enough, but it's manageable. And it's a drop in the ocean compared to the economic impact that a war with China would have. Or the economic impact from China successfully invading Taiwan without Western pushback, followed by China controlling all of the world's leading foundries and squeezing our balls when it comes to microchips.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 21 2023 01:34am