Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 20 2023 08:14pm)

Indeed. In my opinion that is an embarrassment for the German government.
Scholz is asleep at the wheel of the EU's largest and most populous economy, as was his predecessor in many ways.

That it has been said repeatedly for months that the tanks are not ready, only compounds the ineptitude.

Quote (Djunior @ Jan 20 2023 06:47pm)

Haven't heard much anymore about that helicopter crash that wiped out Ukraine's interior minister and his entourage.

Weird, you'd think MSM would still be talking about such a significant event /s

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 20 2023 07:42pm)

The military situation is actually very simple IMO.

This turned into an artillery war. Ukrainians holding the lines in east are severely outgunned when it comes to artillery and it's not even close, this is not pro Russian it's simple fact acknowledged by all sides really. Artillery and hardware can destroy but it's soldiers that hold and take territory. The reason why there haven't been massive territorial pushes by the Russians in territories which they ultimately really want (the donbass) is because those areas are saturated with many Ukrainian soldiers holed up and dug in. So instead of wasting tens of thousands trying rush trenches with holed up snipers and machine guns ww1 style, they are endlessly barraging those areas with artillery. As a defender you can only take so much of that type of punishment really. Last few weeks they finally started to actually send units i.e. Wagner to clear and take those territories which then allows their artillery to move up and once again rinse and repeat on new Ukrainian fortified positions.

The tanks would of been nice and would of helped but ultimately Ukraine even with NATO support is not able to match the volume and intensity of Russia's artillery, that's why we're seeing collapsing lines in the east. There was a sense of urgency with this meeting in Germany because western allies are seeing Ukrainian defenses collapsing in key fronts and I think any talks of counter offensive are going to be shelfed for at least several months.




https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/1/20/russia-ukraine-live-news-west-to-decide-on-fresh-arms-pledges

Quote (ferdia @ Jan 20 2023 08:18pm)

to be fair its the same in most eu countries. i mean when did a eu country last need an operational tank (finland not included, their tanks are fine).

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jan 20 2023 09:11pm)

I don't like to be insulted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor

In September 2022, he again predicted on Carlson's show that “this war may be over soon”[60] and later in the month "the Ukrainian army is bled white, tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops have been killed or wounded, Ukraine is really on the ropes"

He really want the Ukraine to lose, i guess it could save his FoxNews career or something ?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 20 2023 08:24pm)

The annexation of Crimea would have been the most obvious signal to get their house in order.
The UK/France have more operational militaries but the UK is far less land army based.
The British army is a fraction of what it once was.

Most EU militaries are also not structured around artillery, the way that Russia's is.

Quote (ferdia @ Jan 20 2023 09:20pm)

you mean like nord stream ? when its not caused by russia they move on to the next topic ok.

Quote (ferdia @ Jan 20 2023 08:28pm)

The UK Army is what the UK economy should be : specialised. In this regard they dont have alot of units but they make them count.

ultimately, the only danger of supplying tanks to ukraine is if this were another red line to russia. on balance i dont see this being a red line therefore, from a pro-western, lets get those baddies standpoint, ALL of the involved parties should be ashamed not to send tanks. that includes the US and the UK (and germany, not not JUST germany).

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 20 2023 08:32pm)

The UK already sent a squadron of tanks.

Quote (ferdia @ Jan 20 2023 08:34pm)

any idea of distribution of tanks sent from countries ? i guess i can google that.

when did the uk send this squadron (how many in a squadron?)