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Jan 19 2023 10:27am
Quote (Djunior @ 19 Jan 2023 16:44)
Your dumb shit remarks don't bother me at all. I'm just reminding you of what you posted earlier in this thread. Explain how I'm "on the wrong side of history" by doing that, lol

And Russia has never been weak, even in the 1990s they still had their nuclear arsenal. And now they're mobilizing and ramping up weapons productions.


Today Medvedev said that Russia could use Nuclear weapons if Russia lose the war. Plenty and simple.
IMHO:
Russians are completely demoralized, unmotivated, and are probably drinking more vodka than ever. All this because of a very small group of people.
Putin's mobilization and war industrialization will be slow and sad. Nato's countries will have time to train Ukrainians soldiers with new weapons.
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Jan 19 2023 10:41am
Russia is weak and useless but also we need to unite the world and wreak havoc on western economies to stop them from taking over Europe, which has to happen in Ukraine and not one of the many countries protected under charter 5 because reasons.

We will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian and maybe send them the stuff they need in small batches about 3 months after they ask for it, because we don't want to take any risk ourselves of course. We are funding and promoting the war but really it's ukraines decision so we can't be expected to take any risk.

It may be a heavy cost but it's worth it so that the Ukrainians can have free and fair elections like the ones we have funded.

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Jan 19 2023 10:58am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 19 Jan 2023 17:41)
Russia is weak and useless but also we need to unite the world and wreak havoc on western economies to stop them from taking over Europe, which has to happen in Ukraine and not one of the many countries protected under charter 5 because reasons.

We will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian and maybe send them the stuff they need in small batches about 3 months after they ask for it, because we don't want to take any risk ourselves of course. We are funding and promoting the war but really it's ukraines decision so we can't be expected to take any risk.

It may be a heavy cost but it's worth it so that the Ukrainians can have free and fair elections like the ones we have funded.

/s



Majority of Ukrainians expect victory within year
https://thehill.com/policy/international/3693846-most-ukrainians-support-fighting-until-war-is-won-survey/
Source:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/403133/ukrainians-support-fighting-until-victory.aspx

Now make the intellectual effort to consider that your country is invaded by a bigger one (with all the war crimes etc + historical background which is seriously scary)...
Sad that Ukraine abandonned nuclear weapons in 1994, because it had the assurance that Russia would refrain from threatening it and respect its “independence and sovereignty and the existing borders”...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
Another proof it's just impossible to trust Russia: Bitching on NATO while getting freedom from it is terribly pathetic, pityful.
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Jan 19 2023 11:34am
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Majority of Ukrainians expect victory within year
https://thehill.com/policy/international/3693846-most-ukrainians-support-fighting-until-war-is-won-survey/
Source:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/403133/ukrainians-support-fighting-until-victory.aspx

Now make the intellectual effort to consider that your country is invaded by a bigger one (with all the war crimes etc + historical background which is seriously scary)...
Sad that Ukraine abandonned nuclear weapons in 1994, because it had the assurance that Russia would refrain from threatening it and respect its “independence and sovereignty and the existing borders”...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
Another proof it's just impossible to trust Russia: Bitching on NATO while getting freedom from it is terribly pathetic, pityful.


"Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Sept. 2-11, 2022, with a random sample of 1,000 adults, aged 15 and older, living in Ukraine."

Lmao do you even look at the stuff you post or do you just see the headline and think "oh golly gee that supports my opinion!"

Ukraine gave up their stockpile of Soviet nukes because they couldn't use them and they would have been flattened if they didn't, to think it was done for security guarantees is extremely naive.

It's insane how you can post here every day and still be this ignorant on basic facts about this conflict.

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Jan 19 2023 11:35am
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Jan 19 2023 11:37am
Quote (Djunior @ 19 Jan 2023 13:54)
Russia =/= Brazil, lol. Russia is a different beast and they still remember that you lot invaded them and killed how many of them exactly? How many Russian civilians / Russian jews were massacred?

And here you are, insisting that NATO can do what it wants, Russia should just cope, etc etc. Well what if they don't.

Seems like you're incapable if thinking this through, lol


so you DO think that russia has a legitimate say in who ukraine can ally with, that it's pootin's decision, not the ukrainian people's - even though pootin himself said in 2003 that ukraine chooses its own destiny?

thank you for clarifying that. do you now understand why i call you a pootin bootlicker at least? normal people understand that ukraine is a sovereign country and that its people have the right to determine its future - not the dictator from its big neighbour in the east.
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Jan 19 2023 11:38am
the nuclear weapons in ukraine, were soviet nuclear weapons. am i missing something ?
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Jan 19 2023 11:40am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jan 19 2023 04:41pm)
Russia is weak and useless but also we need to unite the world and wreak havoc on western economies to stop them from taking over Europe, which has to happen in Ukraine and not one of the many countries protected under charter 5 because reasons.

We will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian and maybe send them the stuff they need in small batches about 3 months after they ask for it, because we don't want to take any risk ourselves of course. We are funding and promoting the war but really it's ukraines decision so we can't be expected to take any risk.

It may be a heavy cost but it's worth it so that the Ukrainians can have free and fair elections like the ones we have funded.

/s


Strong militaries win conventional battles. They don't lose conventional battles and then retreat and target civilian infrastructure.
Strong militaries don't use mercenaries drafted from prisons.
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Jan 19 2023 11:42am
Quote (ferdia @ 19 Jan 2023 18:38)
the nuclear weapons in ukraine, were soviet nuclear weapons. am i missing something ?


the dissolution of the soviet union and the subsequent contracts between the nations that emerged maybe?
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Jan 19 2023 11:53am
Quote (ferdia @ Jan 19 2023 02:31pm)
my view is there will be no negotiated settlement in 2023. too many things have to first happen.



i disagree with this statement. not knowing Merkel's mind, i would be of the view that she probably had the same concerns as most educated people on the topic - that inviting Ukraine into NATO would result in war.


Might have had something to do with the cheap Russian gas Germany was overexposed to? Alas Ukraine didn't enter NATO, and we got war anyway? Appeasing aggression is a fallacy.
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Jan 19 2023 11:54am
Quote (ferdia @ 19 Jan 2023 18:38)
the nuclear weapons in ukraine, were soviet nuclear weapons. am i missing something ?


Maybe you think Ukraine should also have give back the trains, cars, or wheat & sunflower harvests ?
Russia violated the 1994 Budapest Memorandum anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

- Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.
- Refrain from the threat or the use of force against the signatory.
- Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by the signatory of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
- Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
- Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against the signatory.
- Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.

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