You are asking Ukraine to cede its territories in exchange for non-agression. This is utter ridiculous.
It is like getting racketed by to mobs, giving them money, and not even calling the police to arrest them... While knowing that at some point the mobs will take controle of your business...
Guess the next step: they will do it again.

as a reminder:

At a joint press conference in January 2003, Putin responded to a question about Ukraine. “Ukraine is an independent sovereign state, and it will choose its own path to peace and security”
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/19/putin-russia-ukraine-nato-george-robertson/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

The invasion of Ukraine may also have violated international agreements that Russia is a party to, including:

The 1975 Helsinki Final Act, in which the USSR promised not to violate the "territorial integrity" of other signees, including through the use of force. Russia and Ukraine were both created as a result of the USSR's breakup.
The 1994 Budapest Memorandum, in which Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom agreed "to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine."
The Minsk Agreements, which are a pair of ceasefire agreements signed by Russia and Ukraine relating to the conflict between those countries that began in 2014

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Your circle jerk is ridiculous. You keep producing a 2003 statement while NATO in 2008 decided to welcome future Ukraine / Georgia memberships.

at a certain point we need a practical solution. i accept we are years away from that point.



this to my mind goes back to the ex wife metaphor. happy for you to live a new life, wait what, you want to marry my enemy?!

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 19 2023 04:52am

Considering an abusing ex-husband

This

Most people that post here completely overlook that a solution is needed and it has to be a solution that suits both waring parties or we can forget about it.

Those users are just stuck in their Putin-bad circle jerk unwilling to even consider negotiations SMH

This post was edited by Djunior on Jan 19 2023 05:01am

what's your point? russia had (correctly) acknowledged that ukraine is a sovereign country, and its citizens alone have the right to decide its future. the US don't ask the brits who they can ally with, the brazilians don't ask the portuguese, the russians don't ask the mongolians - so why should ukrainians ask pootin who they are allowed to ally with?

Unfortunately there never was a [magical, Gandalf where are you?] solution.
You can't be "neutral" with russian mafia at borders, with such an historical oppression, influence, and even presence.

See, people like you are the problem.

You think NATO can fuck around without consequences without taking into account Russia, it's leadership and way they're going to react.

The only things you post here are Putin-bad, you're against negotiations and you cheer every escalation and there have been many.

You bring absolutely NOTHING to the table when it comes to solutions / ending the conflict. Absolutely NOTHING

ukraine shelled civilians in the donbas for 8 years killing thousands, but now i am supposed to care