"here is the amount of money you get for your prison" > but i cant help them be successful, thats just enough money for food and shitty healthcare > "ok, brb, lemme ask taxpayers if they want to take money from schools or increases taxes or something" > fuck > "yeah they said no, but what you can do is partner with nonprofits who gives students college credits to read from a binder on how to make them more successful" > fuck, ok, like.... ok

there isn't money, the amount of cash it takes to make someone successful is unreal. like we're talking about tens of thousands of dollars to hundreds of financial support. convicts dont get hired, that's basically the reason they get back into crime 9 times out of 10. they try, then their kids get hungry. you can't expect prisons to "fix" prisoners, they got there because of decades of failure from their families, schools, and communities. a few pep talks and a 3 hour course isnt going to fix that entrenched trauma and bad behavior cycles.

This post was edited by thesnipa on May 28 2020 08:37am

You're stating that as though it's fact at the end of your post, and if it is fact, please link the reports.

Assuming that it's simply an assumption, I wasn't specific about it needing to be any race. I merely referred to "rioters". Do I believe a huge contingent of suburbanites may have entered the urban area to join the protest and possibly start some shit if rioting broke out? Sure! Do I believe they were likely responsible for fires? No idea. My sincere hope is that all the rioters, aka everyone involved who committed a crime, see justice. And let's assume that the tenants of any low income housing that may be burned down had nothing to do with the riots whatsoever. Doesn't that actually do a lot to promote the idea that the second amendment is absolutely vital, especially for the poor and underadvataged who need such housing? I mean, if they all get together and are ready to defend their homes to the death from any rioter who even looks at them crosseyed, wouldn't that go a long ways towards assuring that they'll stay better off than otherwise?

Honestly though, the city and state were both pretty stupid in not being prepared for this. They should have had the national guard and riot police deployed and prepared to insure this did not become a riot. Anyone with half a brain was predicting it'd turn into one, and that's only assuming there was ever even a pretense of a "peaceful protest".



Even if none of what you're saying is true, crossbones is guilty of the same bullshit. He's sat there from his couch talking about how rioters SHOULD be rioting, targeting the innocent. He doesn't give a fuck about the community, the businesses, people caught in burning buildings. Look at his posts that I quoted above. Why would you give him the time of day?



You're joking, right? The emancipation proclamation was a military strategy, a brilliant move that garnered the support necessary to win the Civil War. Lincoln was against the idea of slavery, sure. But he never said anything about believing blacks and whites were or even should be equal either politically or economically. If Lincoln were alive today you'd call him a far right white nationalist within heartbeats. You have absolutely zero self-awareness.

boredom mostly, mixed with me giving a lot of people the time of day that dont deserve it all the time in PARD.

I was watching the livestreams and gave a running commentary on them earlier in the thread with some pictures.

Touche.

Though I don't feel like it should be on the prisons to run the programs that keep people out of the prisons.

An agency I worked for the critical education one of our area schools as important to teach about the school to prison pipeline to just avoid all that stuff in the first place. At the time I was one of those dumb University students reading out a binder lol.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 28 2020 08:42am

https://twitter.com/motarola123/status/1265992457185112070

here's a look at one of the small business owners returning to the Town Talk Diner on Lake Street

Fair enough. And the direction you were going regarding maybe partnering with non-profits is almost a workable solution. Something more like working with non-profits and charities to set up trade programs within prisons would be better, overall. If people go into prisons with no skills, no prospects, and little education, but end up coming out as journeyman electricians, carpenters, concrete layers, bricklayers, chimney sweeps, etc. then a massive amount of opportunity could be afforded to them. If they're also willing to move to the midwest where trained trade professionals are in wicked high demand, they could get out from the shadow of their incarceration pretty easily.

Shame, because it would probably be cheaper in the long term considering how expensive it is to basically pay their living expenses for the rest of their lives as they cycle in and out of prison.

essentially that's what it is, volunteer and outsourced responsibility to nonprofits essentially run by ex cons (most of whom went back to prison a few times, failed to get jobs, failed as motivational speakers, and then found this as a steady job of sorts) that "employ" college student CJ majors with 2-3 credits. it's not a bad gig honestly, and i liked working with them even after i graduated because it was a fulfilling job despite our still high recidivism rates. but after a while it crushes your soul. that and i had helped a few homeless ex cons out by giving them a place to stay for a bit, then got threatened when i went back into protocols to try and get them on their feet. started to fear burglary or worse, so i gave it up. moved. and have been more happy with working in the private sector doing what im doing now with far more chance for upward movement.



people dont want ex cons taking fast food orders, dont think they'll invite them into their homes



fixing something the right way is always more expensive. i dont agree it would be cheaper, but we agree completely it would be better.

This post was edited by thesnipa on May 28 2020 08:48am

full twitter thread of a guy inspecting the damage;

https://twitter.com/webster