it's absolutely mindblowing how this administration keeps getting away with such blatant misinformation, or 'fake news' if you will, how no one of the cult even takes issue with the trump administration outright lying about such crucial and easily verifiable facts.

They deserve it?

All we had to do was sit there and wait. No active skirmishes. Just sit. No war. Just sitting.

But now ISIS has freed thousands of jihadists and the region is destabilizing again, thanks to a conspiracy against the United States orchestrated by the Trump and Erdogan regimes. It's going to end in direct attacks on the U.S.

Sitting and doing nothing was the anti-war solution. Pulling out and sending the troops to help our enemies in Saudi Arabia commit genocide in Yemen instead of sitting so our Kurdish allies could secure the region as a hedge against ISIS is ultimate a pro-war, pro-terrorism stance.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Oct 13 2019 05:26pm

Remember how we were arming Free Syrian Army rebels against Assad because 'freedom' and turns out now this is the same group that is leading the charge against the Kurds ?

I remember. Afghanistan all over again.

But here we again, low iq lemmings are once again arguing for intervention even though it literally fails 99/100 times.

The Free Syrian Army isn't a unified group with the same beliefs.

This is why strict non-interventionists seem to be the least pragmatic voices out there on foreign policy. Obama put together a coalition to fight ISIS, and under his administration and Trump's, that coalition has decimated ISIS and seized control of the territory they held. It didn't require America to send a large number of troops in. Kurds are the ones who have taken thousands and thousands of casualties.

And yet, this is supposed to be evidence of an intervention failing? I don't get it.

'that coalition' didn't decimate ISIS. Stop repeating westerncentric lies. Russia/Assad/Shiite militias and the Kurds defeated ISIS.

The FSA and the Kurds are two distinct groups. We were dropping care packages to 'moderate rebels' aka FSA to fight Assad and we were helping the Kurds against ISIS. Now FSA, thousands strong are leading the charge against the Kurds and you don't think we fucked up. Like lol man.

France says securing military in Syria as U.S. begins withdrawal

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-france-troops/france-says-securing-military-in-syria-as-u-s-begins-withdrawal-idUSKBN1WS0TN





Interesting.





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As options narrow on Syria, Trump prepares to drop sanctions hammer on Turkey

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-usa-sanctions/as-options-narrow-on-syria-trump-prepares-to-drop-sanctions-hammer-on-turkey-idUSKBN1WS0SF





Looks like Trump had the sanctions already ready to go, before pulling the troops out.

This post was edited by Ghot on Oct 13 2019 09:12pm

Its hard to separate genuine concern for the Kurds from immaturity/sheer disagreement with Drumpf.

Was about to say...




RE: Free Syrian Army: if I remember correctly, a significant portion of this admittedly heterogeneous group were islamists, they even had fighters from the "Al Nusra front" among their ranks - which is a straight Al Qaeda offshoot!
The truth is that the FSA should never have been armed by the West in the first place. Similarly, it had to be crystal clear to any knowledgable observer of the region since the get go that Turkey would never ever allow the formation of an autonomous Kurdish state along its border.

The Kurds fought bravely, their autonomous state (Rojava) is the closest thing in the entire Middle East (minus Israel) to a western democracy. They have more tolerance for minorities, other religions and women than just about anyone else in the region. They definitely deserved better than what they are getting from Trump. All well and good, but we, as their allies, should still have urged them not to poke the dragon (Turkey), we shouldnt have stoked unrealistic hopes, and we should have started reining Turkey in a long time ago.

Erdogan started going rogue well before Trump even took office. Obama failed to react to Erdogan's turn towards authoritarianism, war-mongering, anti-democracy, anti-pluralism; and Trump failed to reverse Obama's lukewarm course. Now, we are once again witnessing US foreign policy in shambles, as we did so many times before.




Oh, yeah, one more thing:: who thinks that the US would be siding with the Kurds against our NATO ally Turkey if Hillary was president? I dont...

As I said before in this thread, the way Trump and his administration have decided on stepping aside, the way they have communicated this decision, and the way they have solved the withdrawal logistically - those are all a disaster. Nonetheless, I'm not so sure that the actual decision - making way for the invasion on which Erdogan is so hell-bent - is wrong or that there was really any workable alternative.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 13 2019 09:20pm