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Aug 16 2017 02:15pm
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 16 2017 03:54pm)
I do believe it was one of the demonstrators, or at least a local person...that drove the car into the crowd.
That was the impression I got anyways.

I always thought that for a person to be a terrorist they had to be from... "somewhere else". Like a different political system, so to speak.
I don't think left or right leaning, qualifies.


It likely does.


Terrorist
a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Which also makes Antifa and BLM terrorists if you apply the above definition to some of the rallies that have been held. BLM less so but to say they have not also engaged in altering political aims would just be a lie. Two wrongs don't make a right. But I am sure the left would scream all day if you classified BLM as terrorists.

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Aug 16 2017 02:18pm
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It was probably terrorism in the colloquial sense, but that clear intent isn't proven yet and its still imaginable to have other explanations, and in the legal sense, there's no case for terrorism charges because they only apply to foreign organizations, heck even hate crime statutes probably won't apply and Jeff Sessions is just (once again) trying to cover his ass in the media, because federal hate crime laws only cover 'actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability'


Sounds reasonable. I agree
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Aug 16 2017 02:41pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 16 2017 11:50am)
It was probably terrorism in the colloquial sense, but that clear intent isn't proven yet and its still imaginable to have other explanations, and in the legal sense, there's no case for terrorism charges because they only apply to foreign organizations, heck even hate crime statutes probably won't apply and Jeff Sessions is just (once again) trying to cover his ass in the media, because federal hate crime laws only cover 'actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability'


Oh I see. So Timothy McVeigh was just boys being boys. There was violence on the other side.

But I digress. Section 802 of USA PATRIOT wasn't in effect until the early 2000s. So I guess good old Tim wasn't a terrorist at all. But the neo-Nazis at this rally certainly were, by the very definition of U.S. law, which was expanded to include domestic in October of 2001.

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Aug 16 2017 02:51pm
it's not terrorism, it's just locker room behaviour. everybody does it, stop being such snowflakes...
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Aug 16 2017 03:52pm
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 16 2017 01:54pm)
I do believe it was one of the demonstrators, or at least a local person...that drove the car into the crowd.
That was the impression I got anyways.

I always thought that for a person to be a terrorist they had to be from... "somewhere else". Like a different political system, so to speak.
I don't think left or right leaning, qualifies.


these mental gymnastics you're performing in order to avoid a buzzword is some serious cuck snowflake beta material.
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Aug 16 2017 04:19pm
trump literally called the guy a terrorist not sure why this went a page + of discussion, just watch the video
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Aug 16 2017 04:21pm
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trump literally called the guy a terrorist not sure why this went a page + of discussion, just watch the video


And then minimized it by blaming peace activists for singing violent Kumbaya in the vicinity of peaceful Nazis with love torches and kindness shields and benevolence-spreading automobiles.

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And then minimized it by blaming peace activists for singing violent Kumbaya in the vicinity of peaceful Nazis.

your hallucination is noted
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Aug 16 2017 05:59pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Aug 16 2017 02:41pm)
Oh I see. So Timothy McVeigh was just boys being boys. There was violence on the other side.

But I digress. Section 802 of USA PATRIOT wasn't in effect until the early 2000s. So I guess good old Tim wasn't a terrorist at all. But the neo-Nazis at this rally certainly were, by the very definition of U.S. law, which was expanded to include domestic in October of 2001.


The government provided a definition of domestic terrorism. It provides no enforceable mechanism to prosecute, just to investigate. It ambiguously gives the option to seize assets, which has never been used, because it would be found unconstitutional.
This is not an unimportant nuance. I already pointed it out in my last post. If Jeff Sessions went to court to prosecute this driver on charges of "domestic terrorism", the first judge he met would toss the case out because that charge doesn't even exist.

Timothy McVeigh was not convicted on terrorism charges. He was convicted of "conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction, use of a weapon of mass destruction, destruction with the use of explosives and eight counts of first-degree murder"
McVeigh was a terrorist by colloquial definition and ex post facto PATRIOT act definition. He was not, however, a terrorist under legal definition.
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Aug 16 2017 06:18pm
Quote (TCassa89 @ Aug 16 2017 02:41am)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwaJcZnR7us



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