In an attempt to shorten the above (recession) Kwasi Kwarteng, the chancellor of the exchequer for England announced that england would "borrow" 45 Billion, in order to jump start the economy. This in and of itself has me impressed by him. This was the obvious move from him, albeit not so obvious for most domestic observers (that probably never even bothered to read his book). The idea is to kick start the economy, create trade (=wealth) and continue on their merry way, without the EU. In this regard, the idea gets a 10/10 rating from me.

However, while an idea can get a favorable response, its all about the finer details. Ultimately I am not convinced this will work and may instead become a poisoned chalice for the next government (whoever that is in 2 years time). The idea hinges on England prospering. If English business does not prosper, then they will need to find money from somewhere to quite literally, pay the bill (and in such a scenario there are going to be alot of people looking for handouts).

Having read alot of the noise around this plan to jump start the economy I found this to be the most relevant article, or rather the one i agreed with most : https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/the-uks-45-billion-tax-cut-isnt-radical-enough/2022/09/23/e37b3e42-3b5f-11ed-b8af-0a04e5dc3db6_story.html i.e. that its not radical enough (should have borrowed more), that it would require skilled labor (that they dont have). A quick comment as well - they dont like foreigners, or to be polite about it, their government has for decades erected barriers to discourage and prevent foreigners into the country (i.e. with that and brexit - no influx of skilled labor) The expectation is that the net result of all this will just further widen the social divide that exists in england.

A brief comment on social divide - in all countries there exists a divide between the rich and poor. In england (and northern ireland) this is more pronounced then in most european countries, on account of a history of landowners. This divide is also probably why Brexit was successful in the first place - if you have a decades long blame-game campaign that you feed to poor people (at the bottom of the income pool), and you play on their fears for years then you are going to them to gobble up your lies (ergo, Brexit). In my country, if there are no jobs, you go abroad. This is not always the case for countries (say, England). what this means for england is that they have a very large base of low income earners. It is up to the government to find a way to harness their potential (but no evidence to suggest this will be done).

So in summary, good idea, questions over its implementation and support. The problem with this move is that it remains to be seen if the underlying business in the UK can recover. It remains to be seen how much this will do for the poorest in England and it remains to be seen whether the english government will continue to support this plan, or whether (VERY LIKELY) they will put roadblocks (pun intended) up to hinder/destroy this plan. If the northern Ireland talks go poorly, you can consider that a big roadblock.

All in all the cost of brext just jumped up.

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 26 2022 05:41am

Liz Truss = Based

I support Liz

Sinn Fein is a literal terrorist political party that has bombed my innocent people with car bombs filled with nails, they are worse than ISIS/Hamas/any other middle eastern terrorist group, they deserve to be shit on and should probably be outlawed..

Sinn Fein is a political party in Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland, and England (they dont want to be in england so they have not taken their seats there). Yes, it is a political party founded on terrorism. Actually, its not a real political party. They do in fact still report to their terrorist "army council" paymasters in Northern Ireland. This is generally not discussed in everyday discourse. Yes they have bombed I dont know how many innocent civilians and I tend to agree with alot of your sentiment - they are not a real political party. I would have much preferred if the SDLP (an actual political party) had subsumed the IRA after the good friday agreement was made.

The likely hood is that Sinn Fein will again get the highest number of votes in the next election cycle in the republic of ireland (they already have the highest both north and south) similar to how far right parties are getting elected in protest votes or otherwise throughout the EU. It remains to be seen if and when another political party will go into government with them. The other 2 big parties, Fianna Fail and Fianna Geal are more inclined to do something thats good for ireland rather then themselves (a trait not evident in english political parties i find) which will continue to be a barrier for Sinn Fein's rise to power. The main goal of Sinn Fein is a United Ireland and they were literally cheering when Brexit was announced because they knew that it was one step closer to a united ireland (noting brexit is bad for norther ireland). The general consensus at the moment is that within the next 20 years there will be a vote in the north, to see if they want to be subsumed into the republic of ireland. The DUP can be considered flat earthers of course and they do not represent their constituents, which is shameful. On an aside, as mentioned already, above, there is expected to be a similar vote in scotland next year. oh brexit...

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im not sure what your comments (above) have to do with this topic, but I hope my above has provided some illumination. Ultimately it was John Major? that decided to "negotiate" with sinn fein that led to the permanent cease fire, and he should be applauded for it (he lied in the commons, but well he was a real politician - doing what had to be done for the greater good). The issue with the Protocol in the north is not between Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland and England, its really an issue between England and EU (noting that the Republic of Ireland is a member of the EU). The English government is still trying to grasp this finer point. The ability to get on well with your neighbors does not seem to hold much merit online (or in english politic's, or american politics for that matter) but its a fact of life for people living on the ground, wherever they may live.

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 26 2022 10:16am

This is great illumination and information. I think that with the current political turmoil in Europe/Ukraine invasion/Brexit, the near-future is a perfect time for the UK to assert it's authority in the re-unification of Ireland within the Kingdom. A state of emergency can dissolve the parliaments of Ireland, before stability is attained and where it can be re-introduced. Sinn Fein can be outlawed and pacified, all financial activity and assets seized, with any residual violent terrorists made an example of. Finally the balkanization of the Kingdom can end, if UKers and the new King have the will.

Makes a UK topic, proceeds to talk about the EU.

To answer the question, until the next general election. If she is lucky.

I think you missed the part where the republic of ireland is not a part of England or the United Kingdom. A state of emergency in england cannot dissolve the parliament of america, france, spain, china or russia for that matter (as they are also seperate, independant, countries, just like ireland).



The ability of england to recover / grow is contingent on its government putting the right building blocks in place. As such, being so close to the EU, it is reasonable to make reference to the relationship between the EU and the UK. Also, to be informative I will respond to off topic commentary (say re: sinn fein or the EU) noting englands ability to thrive is contingent on its ability to have good relations with its neighbors.

Also if you read my comments above you will not that I was referring to the recent move made by the chancellor of the exchequer (say, finance minster). I'm not sure how your take away from all that is that I am talking about the EU and not the british government.

in direct response to your closing comments, if i was living in the UK i would prefer if she was competent and lucky, not just lucky.

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 26 2022 12:14pm

You posed the question "How long will Liz Truss be party leader?" Then made 3 points that all referred to the EU.
If anything, domestic policy will have the most bearing on whether Truss will receive a mandate at a general election. Yes, economic issues have to be considered with their biggest trading partner in mind, the EU block.

However, EU citizens don't seem to understand that when it comes to who the UK public will vote for. The EU is really not a make-or-break issue, whatsoever. The exception being the Northern Irish. Whom like the Scottish public voted to remain in the EU during the Brexit referendum.

As someone living in a devolved part of the United Kingdom. If Truss remains PM is completely irrelevant. We will get either a centric labour led coalition, or minority tory government anyway. Regardless if every MP constituency in Scotland elect a SNP member of parliament. The UK first past the post system is entirely broken when it comes to enfranchising voters.

As Nicola Sturgeon has straightforwardly put it
'Scotland will replace one prime minister they didn't vote for with another that they didn't vote for.'

The topic relates to Liz Truss's (and by extension her cabinet) ability to deal with the various crisis looming on the horizon for the UK and whether they will one and all overcome her (and her government) or whether she will rise to the occasion (and last to the next election). It is a moot point as to how people vote in the UK noting there is a government currently in place, but I will happily defer to you on the nuances of the UK voting system. That bridge will be crossed when the time comes. What I have outlined here is that hurdles may topple the government prematurely, ergo which one will it be that proves to be the steel plate.

Also I am a fan of Nicola Sturgeon but accept not many in some of the UK would feel the same.

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 26 2022 12:38pm

Alot of Scottish people are

It's possible but I think unlikely. If they remove Truss, its a snap general election no matter what. Right now, I don't think the Tories win a majority. Although I'm not convinced by labour either.

I'm not up to date currently, but have the Northern Ireland assembly returned? Ergo have Sinn Fein been allowed to form a government?