Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 16 2020 04:51pm)

I don't think federalizing the whole system would make many Europeans raise an eyebrow, even if that isn't the system they personally live under. The UK is usually ranked as the world's best and it's a single payer system.

As for the others, I don't really think those things should be a deal breaker either. They're almost certainly not going to get passed, or even get a majority of support within the Democrats. He's asking for 15 so he can settle at 12, but even so, our current system is almost certainly less efficient than even Bernie's plans for things like education or healthcare. I'd rather have free at all levels education than our current system, for example.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 16 2020 05:52pm)

Not a big deal, don't forget you are decades late regarding equalities, and they would never be able to fully implement this and you know it. It's only a direction that can be corrected after 4 years.

What is your problem with worker owned cooperatives ?

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 16 2020 04:52pm)

Not a big deal, don't forget you are decades late regarding equalities, and they would never be able to fully implement this and you know it. It's only a direction that can be corrected after 4 years.

What is your problem with worker owned cooperatives ?

Quote (SBD @ 17 Sep 2020 02:05)

Partnerships exist all over the place. Worker owned coops are typically to large to incentivze properly. Why would I want to split wealth when I can earn more in a proper structured partnership arrangement with a proper payout formula. Id much rather be an equity partner.

It's like coop businesses fuck the trivial amount you get on your t5 every year when it costs more to shop there and the amount returned does not even begin to match the difference paid by shopping there.

Quote (thundercock @ 17 Sep 2020 02:08)

Oh these policies don't have a chance in hell of passing in America. That wasn't the argument. I was arguing that Bernie and AOC are left, even by European standards. The more power they get, the more likely we'll move towards Communism/socialism. Still doesn't have a chance of happening.

I don't have a problem with worker owned cooperatives existing. If workers want to band their capital together and own a company, that's fine. It's sort of a mix between Marxism and capitalism.

Quote (thundercock @ Sep 16 2020 07:08pm)

Oh these policies don't have a chance in hell of passing in America. That wasn't the argument. I was arguing that Bernie and AOC are left, even by European standards. The more power they get, the more likely we'll move towards Communism/socialism. Still doesn't have a chance of happening.

I don't have a problem with worker owned cooperatives existing. If workers want to band their capital together and own a company, that's fine. It's sort of a mix between Marxism and capitalism.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 16 2020 05:27pm)

Quick Google says theres more private hospitals in the UK than public

Quote (thundercock @ Sep 16 2020 07:35pm)

That seems very strange to me given that private medicine is a very niche market in the UK.

Private providers are reimbursed by NHS which is basically what Bernie wants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_providers_of_NHS_services I didn't see a distribution percentage there, do you have a source for what you say?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 16 2020 08:42pm)

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/international-health-policy-center/countries/england

515 private hospitals and around 200 others

Also just a good overview of how the system works.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 16 2020 05:42pm)

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/international-health-policy-center/countries/england

515 private hospitals and around 200 others

Also just a good overview of how the system works.

Quote (thundercock @ Sep 16 2020 07:55pm)

Thank you for this.
The link says "mainly public hospitals" but primary care is "mainly private." Of that, it's roughly ~60% of self-employed general practitioners. Regardless, I'd argue that the UK has the most "left" system.