Instead of reparations, why don't we count their votes more? They were considered 3/5ths of a person for representation, maybe we can make it 5/3rd for 80 years?

This is an overly-restrictive way to view the American government. It has been one continuous entity governing a specific area that has not shrunk for its entire existence.

Similarly, wealth and opportunity propagate through generations. The better off your parents are the better off the kids are, and the worse the worse. Even if people today aren't responsible for slavery, they are the direct beneficiaries of the system at worst at the direct exploitation of others and at best as a result of the comparative advantage they got because of the explicit disadvantage the system has given others. If your dad steals from a bank and dies, giving you the money, that doesn't mean you get to keep the money, but for some reason because it was 150 years ago and sanctioned by the government that moral decision changes? Even if it's not a practical decision to implement we should all agree that in principal we have some moral culpability as beneficiaries.

And where do you think the Government gets the money from? You guessed it.. tax payers.
So who pays for it? Everybody who is white? because it seems counter intuitive to tax people who arent white...
So from there, which white people get taxed? Many of us have great grandparents, grandparents, parents, etc. who immigrated after slavery was abolished...
My jewish great grandparents immigrated from poland in the early 1920's to escape the soviet polish war.
Should they (who couldnt speak more than a few phrases of english) have paid reparations after immigrating to the country 60 years after the abolishment of slavery?
Should I do so now as their descendant just because im white?
No, is the correct answer.

You cannot impose a 'white tax' on people, let alone people who have zero connections to slavery at all.

You took something he didn't say and really beat it into the ground lol

Do Norman descendants in England inherit moral culpability for the Norman conquest? Studies demonstrate wealth disparities between Anglo-Saxon and Norman families to this day.

Not really, he said government would pay for it. Which leads to government gets money from tax payers, so who gets taxed.
Its an easy progression from the point he tried to make.

You cant just make a point and expect it to end there, it needs to be analyzed, because all of these things would have to be taken into account if the government was going to pay reparations.

That's not how taxes work.

Here's the NYT article, btw: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/opinion/sunday/what-drives-success.html

Even if one agreed with the point you made, which I dont, it would still not make sense to let those whites whose ancestors arrived after the late 19th century pay reparations. Their ancestors arriven when slavery was long abolished and most lucrative land was already assigned. Why should they pay reparations to compensate for the sins that other people committed, people with which they have nothing in common but the white skin color?

Speaking of the inconsistencies: would black people who immigrated to the U.S. after 1964 also receive these reparations, or would they be excluded from them?


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On a general note: the argument "you don't have to pay for lefty policy XY, the government will pay for it" is really modern liberalism in a nutshell.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 12 2020 02:59pm

So, you're saying the government from Obama to trump was a continuous entity...?