Quote (IchBinDaddy @ Aug 11 2018 12:36pm)

Even looking at this, you were citing things like nuclear.
I don’t think nuclear powers a car.
Thus would imply domestic electricity.
Vehicles are not relevant right now, as it’s a much bigger challenge to get those to renewable.

I inferred what your point was by bringing in words such as nuclear, leading me to believe we were speaking about running the country itself, not its transportation.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 11 Aug 2018 13:39)

oh lol, that's fucked up. the system would work if the entire country was using it. I'm honestly surprised that California et al have banned straws, but havent adopted this system yet.

btw, here in Germany, we solve this issue (people trying to return bottles they have bought without deposit in neighboring austria, france, netherlands) by the barcode. our bottle-return-machines are reading the code on each bottle, and only bottles that were bought in germany with a deposit are accepted. when you're done, the machine gives you a voucher that you cash out. so the system automatically ensures that only bottles from within the german system can be cashed out.

but to be fair, it might be harder to justify all this effort for a 10m state than for an 80m country like germany.

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 11 2018 01:43pm)

This is a matter of total energy consumption. Nuclear energy does power cars, just a small fraction. Because nuclear energy creates electricity, consumed by electric cars.
In germany, the total breakdown of energy consumption is:

https://i.imgur.com/ITkpaNy.png

98% of their oil is imported, their hard coal is imported, their lignite domestic, their nuclear domestic, 70% of gas, renewables domestic

Quote (Cambridge @ Aug 11 2018 01:44pm)

There are other states with this system, California might be one of them. Michigan is just the most notable because they offer double the refund of the other states.
Michigan did switch to a barcode system similar to the one you guys are using and it reportedly only cut fraud down by about 4%.
So they spent a ton of money from the program installing all of these scanners and implementing them into the current system and it didn’t even make enough of a difference to cover the expense. :mellow:

Quote (Cambridge @ 11 Aug 2018 20:44)

Michigan did switch to a barcode system similar to the one you guys are using and it reportedly only cut fraud down by about 4%.
So they spent a ton of money from the program installing all of these scanners and implementing them into the current system and it didn’t even make enough of a difference to cover the expense. :mellow:

Quote (fender @ Aug 11 2018 07:38pm)

agreed on the idiocy of forcefully abandoning nuclear power that quickly. big mistake imo, the only upside (apart from avoiding fukushima or chernobyl like disasters, and radioactive waste) is that it somewhat accelerates the development and funding of renewable energy sources, but that effect is rather small and overall certainly not worth it.

but then comes the fearmongering ofc: '50 % of their imported gas is from russia and they still have no LNG terminals' ofc sounds much more sinister than the whole truth:

36% of our totally consumed gas is imported from russia, and that percentage keeps declining as we're actively diversifying our sources, specifically to be more independent from russia (government policy). we have secure LNG supply through the close terminals in rotterdam (netherlands), zeebrugge (belgium), and dunkerque (france) that are currently at just 6%, 12%, and 7% of their maximum capacity - AND we're still building our own terminal in brunsbüttel.

but hey, it's not a goo-shill post without a bit of trumpaganda, right?

Quote (fender @ Aug 11 2018 12:38pm)

agreed on the idiocy of forcefully abandoning nuclear power that quickly. big mistake imo, the only upside (apart from avoiding fukushima or chernobyl like disasters, and radioactive waste) is that it somewhat accelerates the development and funding of renewable energy sources, but that effect is rather small and overall certainly not worth it.

but then comes the fearmongering ofc: '50 % of their imported gas is from russia and they still have no LNG terminals' ofc sounds much more sinister than the whole truth:

36% of our totally consumed gas is imported from russia, and that percentage keeps declining as we're actively diversifying our sources, specifically to be more independent from russia (government policy). we have secure LNG supply through the close terminals in rotterdam (netherlands), zeebrugge (belgium), and dunkerque (france) that are currently at just 6%, 12%, and 7% of their maximum capacity - AND we're still building our own terminal in brunsbüttel.

but hey, it's not a goo-shill post without a bit of trumpaganda, right?

Quote (dro94 @ 11 Aug 2018 19:55)

amazing how non Germans think they know better than the locals when analysing domestic policy

Quote (Goomshill @ 11 Aug 2018 20:00)

the % of your energy that comes from Russia is going to go up in the near future as domestic coal and nuclear energy is shut down. You still have nuclear power plants and lignite production right now.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 11 Aug 2018 20:24)

I always take care to put my shits in the right trash, but to be honest it could be better and im ready to put my shit in 3 times more different trashes if necessary.
Unfortunately even if im living in a "rich" municipality they didnt implemented "advanced" recycling yet, it's only still in testing in very few areas of paris yet.