Quote (Meanwhile @ Jan 13 2023 01:39pm)

Could also be a complete lie from russian authorities, without decoys, like the 600 ukrainian soldiers killed in Kramatorsk during a "retaliation operation"

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jan 13 2023 02:39pm)

Could also be a complete lie from russian authorities, without decoys, like the 600 ukrainian soldiers killed in Kramatorsk during a "retaliation operation"

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 13 2023 01:48pm)

:rofl:

An interesting outcome of the war is the shift in European countries towards defence spending. We saw Scholz announce 100billion in immediate defence spending; The lead however is being taken by Poland.

https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-military-superpower-poland-army/

A few standout points include,
"Poland signed a 23 billion złoty (€4.9 billion) deal for 250 Abrams tanks"

"Poland has ordered between $10 billion-$12 billion worth of weaponry from Korea.
180 K2 Black Panther tanks, 200 K9 Thunder howitzers, 48 FA-50 light attack aircraft, and 218 K239 Chunmoo rocket launchers."

"the Koreans are expected to supply a total of 1,000 K2 tanks and 600 K9 Howitzers by the mid- to late 2020s."

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/07/poland-himars-us/

"Polish Defense Minister Mariusz Błaszczak has announced that the country will acquire 500 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)"

The most incredible to me is the order for 500 HIMAR systems. Ukraine was sent 16 HIMAR systems.
I doubt a delivery of 500 systems will ever happen, but if even 40% of those land. Thats an insane amount of weaponry.

Quote (ferdia @ Jan 13 2023 05:15pm)

is the range on all himar systems the same ?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 13 Jan 2023 14:48)

:rofl:

An interesting outcome of the war is the shift in European countries towards defence spending. We saw Scholz announce 100billion in immediate defence spending; The lead however is being taken by Poland.

https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-military-superpower-poland-army/

A few standout points include,
"Poland signed a 23 billion złoty (€4.9 billion) deal for 250 Abrams tanks"

"Poland has ordered between $10 billion-$12 billion worth of weaponry from Korea.
180 K2 Black Panther tanks, 200 K9 Thunder howitzers, 48 FA-50 light attack aircraft, and 218 K239 Chunmoo rocket launchers."

"the Koreans are expected to supply a total of 1,000 K2 tanks and 600 K9 Howitzers by the mid- to late 2020s."

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/07/poland-himars-us/

"Polish Defense Minister Mariusz Błaszczak has announced that the country will acquire 500 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)"

The most incredible to me is the order for 500 HIMAR systems. Ukraine was sent 16 HIMAR systems.
I doubt a delivery of 500 systems will ever happen, but if even 40% of those land. Thats an insane amount of weaponry.

Quote (Djunior @ 13 Jan 2023 14:51)

Oh ok, whatever

Quote (Djunior @ Jan 13 2023 09:17am)

Take those reports with a grain of salt.

There's also been several reports of HIMARS launchers being destroyed but you can find sources that explain that decoy HIMARS are being used in areas where HIMARS is being deployed.

Russian high command thinks they destroyed a HIMARS launcher while most likely they targeted a decoy.

PS these are the most difficult targets to destroy, during the first Gulf war a huge effort was made by the coalition to destroy Iraq's mobile SCUD launchers and it failed (despite having air superiority and flying thousands of sorties).

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jan 13 2023 04:00pm)

The US recently ran a workshop on making decoy Bradley vehicles

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2023/01/13/3rd-id-soldiers-and-students-develop-portable-bradley-vehicle-decoys/

Quote (Djunior @ 13 Jan 2023 16:15)

That's the kind of sources people here should check so they understand what's going on instead of running around in endless circle jerks "lying Russian high command claimed to have destroyed xyz"

Thx for sharing