I'm saying Wagner doesn't supersede the regular Russian army. I said that several times.

YOU said Wagner supersedes the regular Russian army. See your posts above.

Dunno what you're trying to spin here, but I'm not gonna entertain you and your deflections / dodges / moving of goalposts etc

But you and everyone else saw this, if you didn't you should, takes one and a half minutes of your time and shows Prigozhin recruiting convicts for Wagner



This post was edited by Djunior on Jan 12 2023 09:24am

Not sure why you try to mystify and create ambiguity where there is none:
1. Wagner&kadyrov have no real political power outside that which is given to them by kremlin. Anyone who talks about a former prisoner and chechen warlord having legitimacy in moscow is beyond retarded
2. Wagner executing deserters with sledgehammer is a fact, it isnt "wild stories" as has been established in syria, libya & ukraine.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Jan 12 2023 09:05am

Every once in a while I open this topic and the discussions are always super low tier propaganda, trolling or fantasy land.

It seems somewhat odd to me that we are supposed to believe Putin is a brutal tyrant but also allows internal power struggles to get so out of hand that they are evident to the international community. I mean this is the guy thay supposedly disappears anyone who speaks against the regime isn't it? I can't imagine embarrassing it would be a great move career wise.

NBC has the best evidence I've seen so far supporting the internal power struggle theory though, it includes the claims attributed to Prigozhin and some history on comments he has made about Russian military leaders that definitely add some meat to the theory.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna65471

its an internal power struggle (if you even want to call it that) in the army, but ultimately the army does what putin tells it to do. therefore he does not care who leads what, so long as they do what they are told, and achieve results of course. By all accounts Putin likes his chef.

i removed the link when quoting you, im not allowed to link anything apparently!

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 12 2023 09:17am

I don't disagree with any of that I just think most tyrannical leaders would rather internal power struggles stay internal, and most people living under those leaders try very hard not to embarrass them.

Lol the nicknames we have created for the Russians are great, "Putins chef" "General Armageddon". Next up will be "BadGuy McLackeyFace"

It's mostly MSM talking points being repeated ad nauseam

sorry i was directly quoting from your link. i read it. apparently he was once upon a time Putin's actual (food) Chef.

Oh I wasnt criticizing you, "Putins chef" is an actual nickname attributed to him by the media. From what I read he was responsible for catering some events or something so it's not wrong, just thought it was a silly name along with the Armageddon one.

So you want us to extrapolate
"I'm saying Wagner doesn't supersede the regular Russian army"

From
"If they're the only ones sent in they're the ones to claim that victory"

My bad then, that was completely clear all along. How could we possibly miss what you meant.



So, contribute something? Or maybe don't, spare us.

Damn the angry boys out in force today. Wonder how it will go when the Leopards arrive in the Donbas.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jan 12 2023 10:03am