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Jan 11 2023 07:43pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 11 2023 07:34pm)
That’s where your confusion lies. In an attempt at historical revisionism you’re equating communism crimes and mishandling with Russia. Tens of millions of people died because of the authoritarian communism. Millions of Russians are also included in this. Instead of acknowledging this reality and most of us agreeing on that communism was a plague on humanity, particularly early on, you’re choosing to only focus on the Ukrainian suffering so to frame what happened was because of Russia or some ethnic cleansing. It’s dishonest. Stalin the biggest offender or person who can be blamed for many of these deaths wasn’t even ethnic Russian you know this right?


He was put into power by ethnic Russians, and ethnic Russians by and large support his war on Ukraine, and ethnic Russians by and large support ethnically cleaning non-Russianness out of everything they deem to be in their sphere of influence.
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Jan 11 2023 07:50pm
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It was, just like a ton history is pretty fucked up. But i'm not trying bring it up and re-frame it as reasoning why one group should totally continue to hate another group today, which conveniently coincides with the geopolitical goals of my military.


It's not ancient history. US and the West continue to exploit the natives with institutions, but now also feign humanitarian stances and allege native sovereignty to obscure and hide reality. For example precious metal maps largely overlap native territories. Still some AIM members locked as political prisoners. Bigger picture, Spain still able to extract wealth from South America (won claim on Peruvian metal found in sunk ship in 2012).

Eh, it's wrong but we never stopped doing it...

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Jan 11 2023 07:57pm
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It's not ancient history. US and the West continue to exploit the natives with institutions, but now also feign humanitarian stances and allege native sovereignty to obscure and hide reality. For example precious metal maps largely overlap native territories. Still some AIM members locked as political prisoners. Bigger picture, Spain still able to extract wealth from South America (won claim on Peruvian metal found in sunk ship in 2012).

Eh, it's wrong but we never stopped doing it...


And when others apart from the West do it.
The West will unleash their ultimate weapon.

Greta Thunberg

That will be on international media.

They will release our friendly Snail Connoisseur on Jsp.



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And when others apart from the West do it.
The West will unleash their ultimate weapon.

Greta Thunberg


Keep your pizza boxes on lockdown
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Keep your pizza boxes on lockdown


No more lock down. The Chinese are now holidaying in South East Asia. I am wondering if they will bring some new variants into my Country.
But we are prepared. We have chicken rice. A good remedy for covid.



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Quote (ofthevoid @ 12 Jan 2023 02:34)
That’s where your confusion lies. In an attempt at historical revisionism you’re equating communism crimes and mishandling with Russia. Tens of millions of people died because of the authoritarian communism. Millions of Russians are also included in this. Instead of acknowledging this reality and most of us agreeing on that communism was a plague on humanity, particularly early on, you’re choosing to only focus on the Ukrainian suffering so to frame what happened was because of Russia or some ethnic cleansing. It’s dishonest. Stalin the biggest offender or person who can be blamed for many of these deaths wasn’t even ethnic Russian you know this right?

The Russian Empire which preceded the Soviet Union was also a barbaric, imperialist force which didn't give a shit about human life. As is the Russian Federation that came after it. Chalking up all the atrocities of the Soviet era to just Stalin or just communism is myopic and ignores the bigger picture of Russian history and culture.

Also, you haven't given any substantive argument so far on why the more distant parts of the history between Ukraine and Russia should be irrelevant to the situation today. Ukraine was under Moscow's thumb during the 30s and suffered a huge toll as a result. It then spent the next 50 years being tied to the Soviet war against Nazi Germany, and to their mismanagement and economic decline. Khrushchev gifting Crimea to Ukraine, with the understanding that this would only be a symbolic gesture since both Russia and Ukraine were tied together within the Soviet Union anyway, is one of the major reasons for the present-day war.

Ukraine has suffered under Russian rule pretty much non-stop for 69 years, from 1922 until the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. Around half of Ukraine's present-day population have personally experienced these hardships. The intense opposition to Russia's attempts at turning Ukraine back into a vassal state cannot be fully understood without looking at this long history of abuse they suffered at the hands of the Russians.

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Jan 12 2023 02:19am
Not to mention that Ukraine had the largest Communist Party in USSR
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Jan 12 2023 07:37am
"Sergei Surovikin has been replaced by chief of the general staff Valery Gerasimov as commander of Russia's military campaign in Ukraine,
with some commentators suspecting the decision is politically motivated."

General Armageddon is replaced 3 months after taking control of the "special military operation"
An interesting dynamic between the Russian army and Wagner mercenaries is now becoming apparent.

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"Sergei Surovikin has been replaced by chief of the general staff Valery Gerasimov as commander of Russia's military campaign in Ukraine,
with some commentators suspecting the decision is politically motivated."

General Armageddon is replaced 3 months after taking control of the "special military operation"
An interesting dynamic between the Russian army and Wagner mercenaries is now becoming apparent.


feel free to elaborate as i know nothing of this aspect.
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Quote (ferdia @ Jan 12 2023 01:38pm)
feel free to elaborate as i know nothing of this aspect.


I am cherry picking from an article to give a brief summary of what I am alluding to; bare in mind that this is all speculative, based on events that have taken place.

"Politico reported on an internal power struggle with two main alliances within Russia's leadership.
On one side, Russian security agencies, defence minister Sergei Shoigu and chief of the general staff Valery Gerasimov. And on the other, a "war party" led by Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov and Wagner Group founder Mr Prigozhin."

There is obviously the Russian military and then the Wagner group. There is some debate on what entity will claim the success of capturing more ground in Donbas, mainly Soledar if that is confirmed.

Again it is speculative commentary, but the dynamic is very interesting. I think it doesn't manifest itself the same in the west; Although private security industry is massive, particularly after the Iraq catastrophe.
It appears in Russia that the Wagner group is very prominent in the public consciousness.

In the UK we would never really think that a private security firm could supersede for example the US or UK militaries; whereas the Wagner group appears to be claiming responsibility for potential battlefield success.

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