Are you supporting, today in 2023, a second American Indian extermination ? Or do you think the world standards evolved since 1900 ?

It hurts my brain to read what you write.

You overrate it

I know that the weak point of the TOS launchers is their range because the load is heavy.

After that: it seems very hard to find survivors explaining how they felt the heat.

/e I also know that you can die in the 50 meters radius of 1 rocket implosion/explosion, and that the new version holds 24 rockets tubes. Right ?

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jan 11 2023 07:00pm

So, what the US did to the native tribes wasn't wrong???

The refusal to engage in pointless negotations might have been bad optics, but in the matter, it was absolutely justified at the time.

I'm mostly with you when it comes to the economic sanctions, and the energy sanctions in particular. The West really mishandled those and inflicted economic damage on itself and the rest of the world which was, first, avoidable and unnecessary, and second, didn't inflict enough damage on Russia in return to justify the pice we pay.

Now, I have to say that Russia would imho have closed the gas tap sooner or later anyway, so by now, we would probably be in a similar situation (no more Russian gas) even if we had not imposed energy sanctions. But without the sanctions, gas prices would not have gone as bonkers as they did over the past year, and Russia would have eaten more of the PR damage.



I, for my part, believe that this war will eventually be ended by negotations, but the time has clearly not come yet. Russia is clearly not willing to engage in good-faith negotations yet, and to be frank, neither is Ukraine. Diplomacy has no chance as long as both sides still believe they can achieve a full victory on the battlefield. What would be the point of negotiations right now, when everyone knows that they are only taking place for show, so that all parties can claim that they are "trying to find a peaceful solution" although that is clearly not what they are actually doing?

At the moment, both Russia and Ukraine are basically going "screw diplomacy, let's slug it out".

It was, just like a ton history is pretty fucked up. But i'm not trying bring it up and re-frame it as reasoning why one group should totally continue to hate another group today, which conveniently coincides with the geopolitical goals of my military.

So if it's wrong for us, is it wrong for the Russians?

That’s where your confusion lies. In an attempt at historical revisionism you’re equating communism crimes and mishandling with Russia. Tens of millions of people died because of the authoritarian communism. Millions of Russians are also included in this. Instead of acknowledging this reality and most of us agreeing on that communism was a plague on humanity, particularly early on, you’re choosing to only focus on the Ukrainian suffering so to frame what happened was because of Russia or some ethnic cleansing. It’s dishonest. Stalin the biggest offender or person who can be blamed for many of these deaths wasn’t even ethnic Russian you know this right?

They aren't many, rarely used so you overrate them. I know they are like 2x Himars but they are close range from what I've known. Also there's TOS Solntsepyok, TOS Buratino which one do you prefer?