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Aug 26 2018 05:40pm
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my guess is that trump politically cant really afford to open yet another frontline on north korea before the midterms, so he tries to play it down.


It was a mistake to say "There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea." Plan and simple.

Just holding the summit was a big win for Trump..but he got ahead of himself. Now every satellite picture or news of NK developing their nuclear capacity is an opportunity for a dig.
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Aug 27 2018 05:49pm
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"We are worse off than where we were when the summit happened because, in the meantime, China and Russia have alleviated sanctions pressure on North Korea. We've also unilaterally canceled our military exercises with South Korea with our own president even labeling these exercises provocative which certainly unnerved Japan," said Sean King, senior vice president at public policy and business development firm Park Strategies.


Art of the deal folks! HUGE success.
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Aug 27 2018 07:12pm


Trump called off Pompeo's North Korea visit after belligerent letter: report

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa/trump-called-off-pompeos-north-korea-visit-after-belligerent-letter-report-idUSKCN1LC2H8

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump called off a visit to North Korea by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo after the latter received a belligerent letter from a senior North Korean official just hours after the trip was announced last week, the Washington Post reported on Monday.

The Post quoted two unnamed senior U.S. administration officials as saying the letter came on Friday from Kim Yong Chol, vice chairman of North Korea’s ruling Workers’ Party Central Committee, who led previous rounds of talks with Pompeo.

The newspaper said the exact contents of the message were unclear, but it was sufficiently belligerent that Trump and Pompeo decided to call off the journey.

The planned trip had been announced the previous day for this week and Pompeo had intended to introduce a newly named special envoy, Stephen Biegun, to his North Korean counterparts.

The White House referred queries on the Washington Post report to the State Department, which did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

In cancelling Pompeo’s trip, Trump publicly acknowledged for the first time that his effort to get North Korea to denuclearize had stalled since his June 12 summit with its leader, Kim Jong Un {nL2N1VF10N]

On Sunday, North Korea’s state media accused the United States of “double-dealing” and “hatching a criminal plot” against the country, but did not mention Pompeo’s canceled visit.

U.S. intelligence and defense officials have repeatedly expressed doubts about North Korea’s willingness to give up its nuclear weapons and did not expect Pompeo’s trip to yield positive results.




So Trump called it off for a good reason it seems.
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Aug 28 2018 08:35am
Nobel Prize incoming?

oh that's right, he got played.

"the past X# of presidents let it get like this, they didnt fix the situation or negotiate with them"

perhaps now people are starting to see why diplomacy hasn't been used with NK, they're not to be trusted. ever.
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Aug 28 2018 08:42am
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Nobel Prize incoming?

oh that's right, he got played.

"the past X# of presidents let it get like this, they didnt fix the situation or negotiate with them"

perhaps now people are starting to see why diplomacy hasn't been used with NK, they're not to be trusted. ever.




You're preaching to the choir on this issue. I don't trust NK at all, but I still think China is just using NK as a pawn in China's global strategy.
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You're preaching to the choir on this issue. I don't trust NK at all, but I still think China is just using NK as a pawn in China's global strategy.


of course they are, but u always stop one step short of the real picture.

China is using NK as a deterrent to their negative behavior and to scare their regional rivals (SK and Japan), and secretly providing them with supplies in violation of the sanctions.

NK is exploiting this, as they have with regimes that need a wary ally for decades. First with the Soviets, perhaps with Iran even, now it's China. It was China before, but they bit the hand that feeds them.

NK is fine with being a pawn, because they can and have many times spurned their masters. they are not a pawn in truth, but rather a tool.

NK's nuclear program is a deterrent to outward aggression, and will remain regardless of a tenuous backwater alliance with China. it's their only card and they play it in all scenarios.

all too often you paint China as some boogeyman who is in control of NK, when they're more like a dog walker with a 50 foot lead. NK is also exploiting china, because a collapse of NK means refugees pouring into China and China doesn't want that. A southern invasion by SK or the USA also means refugees into China. basically any destabilizing event means hundreds of thousands or even millions of non-chinese speaking low skill refugees pouring into china. this side of the coin can not be left out of the equation. china is exploiting this and always has been, in fact their exploitation of this in most people's opinion is more motivation for China to aid them than agitating their rivals. China isn't exactly terrified of their rivals nor their gripes, and they shouldn't be. the aid they provide is really just subsidizing the issue to avoid refugees. they're happy with the political outcomes that a sabre rattling NK gives them, but its always been about refugees and general destabilization in the region, which is a NK exploitation more than anything.

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Aug 30 2018 02:59pm
what happened? i thought north korea was 'no longer a nuclear threat' thanks to the masterful negotiation of agent orangehead? nobel peace price incoming, or not?

strange, it's almost like trump got played like a fiddle - who would have thought? gave kim all that publicity, told the world what a great guy that little dictator is (trump certainly has a type), and how "provocative" and "expensive" those "war games" at their border are...


i'd say this was the worst deal in history, but the word 'deal' is really stretching it...
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what happened? i thought north korea was 'no longer a nuclear threat' thanks to the masterful negotiation of agent orangehead? nobel peace price incoming, or not?

strange, it's almost like trump got played like a fiddle - who would have thought? gave kim all that publicity, told the world what a great guy that little dictator is (trump certainly has a type), and how "provocative" and "expensive" those "war games" at their border are...


i'd say this was the worst deal in history, but the word 'deal' is really stretching it...


Hey, we got North Korea to throw some rocks on an entrance to one of their nuclear test sites! That's a start right?
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Sep 10 2018 02:40pm
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-10/kim-seeks-second-meeting-with-trump-in-letter-white-house-says

Another meeting coming?

Now that the nuclear threat is gone, what is there to talk about? Maybe a Trump hotel?
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[URL=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-10/kim-seeks-second-meeting-with-trump-in-letter-white-house-says]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-10/kim-seeks-second-meeting-with-trump-in-letter-white-house-says[/URL]

Another meeting coming?

Now that the nuclear threat is gone, what is there to talk about? Maybe a Trump hotel?


didn't trump call off the supposed 2nd meeting (w/ Pompeo)?

this guy flip flops more than anyone I swear.
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