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Jan 11 2023 11:03am
Shoigu & Gerasimov VS Surovikin & Prigozhin ?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-names-new-commander-russias-war-ukraine-gerasimov-surovikin-rcna65307

Btw Prigozhin does not get alot of credit for his recent "victory" in Soledar's salt mine. They (Putin & Classic Russian Army) don't like him much or something ?

https://news.yahoo.com/putin-chef-humiliated-own-side-124434966.html
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Jan 11 2023 12:16pm
Gerasimov is two ranks up than Surovikin, I believe, so there's a chance of full scale war being announced soon or there's a chance of Feb, 24th scenario invasion from Belarus or something like that.
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Jan 11 2023 12:27pm
Quote (Norlander @ 11 Jan 2023 19:16)
Gerasimov is two ranks up than Surovikin, I believe, so there's a chance of full scale war being announced soon or there's a chance of Feb, 24th scenario invasion from Belarus or something like that.


Aren't they supposed to mobilize and train soldiers first ?

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Jan 11 2023 12:41pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ 11 Jan 2023 21:27)
Aren't they supposed to mobilize and train soldiers first ?


They already did it. A threat from Belarus grows each day.
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Jan 11 2023 12:51pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 11 Jan 2023 11:47)
Russian demands left zero room for NATO to negotiate. Accepting almost any of those terms would have essentially been Russia dictating how the alliance operates i.e. non negotiable.
Not to mention Russian troops massing at the Ukraine border before December 2021.
This was a clear disingenuous act by Russia to appear like they would negotiate. The decision to invade Ukraine was made long before then. Acting as though they would negotiate served only as a pretext and pillar of the narrative.


This cannot be stressed enough. Throughout 2021, Russia had deliberately let European gas storages run low (by only supplying the contractually obligated minimum) in a clear preparation of the war. In fact, they had spent almost two decades hooking Europe on their cheap gas. In the summer of 2021, they completed the final tests of their new Kinzhal hypersonic missile which ensured that nuclear deterrence would be upheld for at least some time, no matter which secret missile-defense systems the West might possess. Gas prices soared to the highest levels since 2014 during the 2021/22 winter. Nord Stream 2 was completed in early 2022, and mere days later, the invasion began.

If anyone thinks all these events lining up so perfectly was a pure coincidence, that Russia was still open to good-faith negotiations in late 2021 and that foolish Ukrainian refusal to compromise is the cause of the war, I have a bridge to sell him.
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Jan 11 2023 12:55pm
Quote (Norlander @ 11 Jan 2023 19:41)
They already did it. A threat from Belarus grows each day.


Yes, but it's not really "full scale" then, more likely a new major offensive.
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Jan 11 2023 01:02pm
Let's hope there will be none
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Quote (Norlander @ Jan 11 2023 07:02pm)
Let's hope there will be none


along with santa claus.
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Quote (Norlander @ 11 Jan 2023 20:02)
Let's hope there will be none


https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/01/sudden-surge-in-russian-navy-ships-and-submarines-in-black-sea/

Not sure

Quote (ferdia @ 11 Jan 2023 20:07)
along with santa claus.


They could also decide to make it a very, very, long "war", which is a decent strategy to keep the power in their respective countries (Belarus & Russ)

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Quote (ferdia @ 11 Jan 2023 22:07)
along with santa claus.


Adressing the joke to those who believed there would be none and ended up under the shelling when Biden was ringing the bell that invasion is inevitable. Now he's silent. So there's hope.
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