Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Jan 10 2023 05:59pm)

I can't wait to see Germany send their Leopard tanks.
Ukraine already gotten their HIMARS and Javelins.

Let's see in a couple of years do the Chinese have a reversed engineered versions of those.
:lol:

Maybe a better improved version. ^_^

Quote (ferdia @ Jan 10 2023 06:27pm)

Since January 2021, the United States has invested approximately $24.9 billion in security assistance to demonstrate our enduring and steadfast commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. This includes approximately $24.3 billion since Russia’s launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal war against Ukraine on February 24. Since 2014, the United States has provided approximately $27.11 billion in security assistance for training and equipment to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO.

how they can say both of those things in the same paragraph. dear oh dear.

i did a count in december, i think its 52 Billion since 2014? lets please move on from the "unprovoked" blurb! also, a billion here a billion there, pretty soon its alot of money.

and yes, i had to google that word (i feel old)

https://i.imgur.com/T8TzIFY.png

Quote (Norlander @ 10 Jan 2023 20:17)

I don't have Ukrainian citizenship, but used to live in Mukachevo. That's a bit more West than Lviv, close to Uzhgorod. I didn't have any problems as a Russian speaking person rather than jokes about me being "Muscovite". I've heard there were some problems in Ivano-Frankivsk, I mean opressor/opressed relationships in the past. My family is Ukrainian speaking, despite them being Hungarian/Carpatho-Russian. Now I live in Moscow. Most of my family there is dead, some moved to Italy, some stood in Mukachevo. It's rather safe for now. We never speak about politics since 2014.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 10 2023 01:49pm)

Most people don't want conflict and to hate. It takes effort to hate. Most people want closure and to move on and to grow rich and fat and see their kids grow up, etc. China and Poland were 2 examples but there are many more of why people move on, and 100 years seems like a long time.

It's really interesting the psychology and logic of stirring old things up though. Anti-Russian forces are highlighting Holodomor but i have RT on twitter and they constantly bring up Bandera's actions with the Poles. I guess it makes sense why RT and Sputnik was banned in much of the EU. Two sides of the same coin.

Quote (thesnipa @ 11 Jan 2023 04:07)

Moving on is natural, but moving on from eating your own children once they starve is a big ask. that's why im surprised. the story of the donner party in the US is commonly known, and that was a small group. we're talking widespread cannibalism nationwide.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Jan 10 2023 02:15pm)

There are bound to be people who couldn't move on.
Just like families who went through these below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre

But most of us moved on. We just hate the Japanese government for downplaying and denying these atrocities. The Japanese politicians still go to Yasukuni Shrine and pay respect to these perpetrators.
It is Akin to Merkel going to Hitlers grave to pay respect to him every year.

We don't hate the Japanese per say..it has got nothing to do with this generation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasukuni_Shrine

Quote (thesnipa @ 11 Jan 2023 04:19)

is it even possible for asian people to hate other asian people more/less? isnt it just a constant?

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Jan 10 2023 08:23pm)

Conflicts are bound to happen because we are neighbours and there are bound to be territorial disputes. But if we don't really hate each other to a point that we want all of them to die.
We have to trade and make lives better for ourselves.

The Indians and Chinese hate each other. They end up fighting with Rocks and Sticks and no bullets fired.

As for East Asians Chinese , Japan, Korea, Taiwan and even Vietnam. We share very very similar culture.

Quote (ferdia @ 11 Jan 2023 04:29)

alot of countries have grudges with neighbouring countries. this is normal noting wars persist. i am not downplaying attrocities but rather stating that attrocities are unfortunately not unique to one war / event.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Jan 10 2023 08:39pm)

Yes thats right. We have to move on somehow. Learn from the past and do our best via smart diplomacy and foreign policy so that it doesn't happen again or at least not at that level.
But it is always difficult if we are right next to a " superpower " because a " superpower " have their own inherent " interest " and if their security or interest is being threaten by another superpower using the smaller nations as a proxy, well shit will happen.
And a good government with clear minded leaders and elected politicians will minimize those risk and balance it out.
Those governments that fail to do that will end up a dicey situation.