I mean it's quiet complex, yes the commies wanted to homogenize and make the same culturally different ethnicities for obvious reasons, it's a lot easier to control a conformed population. For example the primary reason why a lot of Moldovans and Ukrainians were shipped to Siberia was to basically extract resources from the wilderness with manual labor in harsh conditions but it was also to 'mix' the population across the new soviet world.

But again why is this all of the sudden being brought up and emphasized? I mean if we're honest it's to stir hate and rationalize the hate. This happened prior to WW2. You think if some external forces were highlighting the Poles plight during WW2 at the hands of the Germans or the Chinese suffering at the hands of Japanese in 2023, is it because of some recent interest in accurate historical accounting or is it to stir hate up? To me it's really obvious.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jan 10 2023 01:16pm

I don't have Ukrainian citizenship, but used to live in Mukachevo. That's a bit more West than Lviv, close to Uzhgorod. I didn't have any problems as a Russian speaking person rather than jokes about me being "Muscovite". I've heard there were some problems in Ivano-Frankivsk, I mean opressor/opressed relationships in the past. My family is Ukrainian speaking, despite them being Hungarian/Carpatho-Russian. Now I live in Moscow. Most of my family there is dead, some moved to Italy, some stood in Mukachevo. It's rather safe for now. We never speak about politics since 2014.

Does the majority of Russia population , well maybe Moscow, still support the current war or are there voices and dissent that are significant?

while there is certainly that out there we have to best honest and recognize that many US citizens knew of Ukraine only vaguely pre-crimea. even in the midst of the revolution most of it didnt make the news in 2013 and 2014. not until Putin invaded was it in the lexicon of most people.

i personally support however any traction in knowledge of the horrors of communism, and i dont care why people are being told that the USSR was a brutal regime, its more important that the modern idea that communism is good is dampened.

but as someone well aware of the Holodomor pre-crimea im just more surprised russia maintained and regained popularity in Ukraine in under 100 years, and recognize im likely missing context of improved treatment for them by Moscow from ww2 to the 1990s. the USSR was good at a change in regime being used to instill hope.

Most people don't want conflict and to hate. It takes effort to hate. Most people want closure and to move on and to grow rich and fat and see their kids grow up, etc. China and Poland were 2 examples but there are many more of why people move on, and 100 years seems like a long time.

It's really interesting the psychology and logic of stirring old things up though. Anti-Russian forces are highlighting Holodomor but i have RT on twitter and they constantly bring up Bandera's actions with the Poles. I guess it makes sense why RT and Sputnik was banned in much of the EU. Two sides of the same coin.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jan 10 2023 01:51pm

Potentially true. Kind of in the realms of a speculation at this point.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jan 10 2023 02:00pm

Its the same thing with China. My family lost all our lands and property in Guangzhou. My dad was jailed but was lucky to escape to Hong Kong before the cultural revolution.
My aunties were put on a platform tied up and being insulted by the red guards.

Does my family hate the gang of four period during the mid and late 60s? Absolutely yes.
But now that my dad see how well China is doing , he is actually kinda proud even if they are still Communist Party in name.

In a more layman term if I might explain.
Its like having an ex girlfriend that screw you up really bad. Some people can't get over it.
But there are some people who's ex girlfriend screwed them up bad but further down the road, time heals and they see that their ex changed for the better , have a new family and start to take responsibility, they feel happy for them.
They might not forget the hurt, but they forgive them. Everyone makes mistakes.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jan 10 2023 01:59pm

Maybe, but China can't even keep its iphone factories open. Maybe they make better versions of HIMARS "in a couple years"

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jan 10 2023 02:03pm

Haha good analogy. I was actually thinking of the same. I have an ex that cheated on me but if I were to see her today, assuming we talk I have no hard feelings and would have no issue having normal conversation and being happy if she's doing okay.

At the start of the "campaign" the support you're talking about was disappointingly high, even in Moscow. I should say half of the "default city" population.
Silly me was thinking it was somewhat an ultimatum untill the firsts shots were made. It was a sleepless night. I was watching all the live news, all the bloggers I could find on internets, trying in the same time to reach with my family in Ukraine. It took a week.
My former friend and neighbor was pro-war, it was hard to communicate with him after the war started. Well, he was, until he got conscription list and started avoiding army, completely changing his rhetorics. Now we don't communicate.