Quote (ferdia @ 11 Jan 2023 02:23)

one may see that as a christmas wishlist, very comprehensive.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Jan 10 2023 06:28pm)

But those weapons are not enough to " win ".
But more than enough to exhaust Russia.
This war is never to " win " Russia.
It is to weaken and exhaust them to a point where they lose their claws and hopefully the support of the Russian population rebel to trigger a revolution and destabilize Russia from the inside out.

And in the midst of all these.
Civilian lives , conscript lives, men , woman and children are lost.

An absolute win without sacrificing a single men or woman from NATO.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 10 Jan 2023 20:59)

I can't wait to see Germany send their Leopard tanks.
Ukraine already gotten their HIMARS and Javelins.

Let's see in a couple of years do the Chinese have a reversed engineered versions of those.
:lol:

Maybe a better improved version. ^_^

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Jan 10 2023 12:28pm)

But those weapons are not enough to " win ".
But more than enough to exhaust Russia.
This war is never to " win " Russia.
It is to weaken and exhaust them to a point where they lose their claws and hopefully the support of the Russian population rebel to trigger a revolution and destabilize Russia from the inside out.

And in the midst of all these.
Civilian lives , conscript lives, men , woman and children are lost.

An absolute win without sacrificing a single men or woman from NATO.

Quote (ferdia @ Jan 10 2023 07:27pm)

Since January 2021, the United States has invested approximately $24.9 billion in security assistance to demonstrate our enduring and steadfast commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. This includes approximately $24.3 billion since Russia’s launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal war against Ukraine on February 24. Since 2014, the United States has provided approximately $27.11 billion in security assistance for training and equipment to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO.

how they can say both of those things in the same paragraph. dear oh dear.

i did a count in december, i think its 52 Billion since 2014? lets move on from the "unprovoked" blurb. a billion here a billion there, pretty soon its alot of money.

Quote (thesnipa @ 11 Jan 2023 02:33)

an important caveat being that many of the Ukranian's dying for this cause exist today because they and/or their parents ate their siblings and family members during the Holodomor due to russian cruelty. the fact that Russia has 40-50% support anywhere in that country boggles my mind. they literally starved ukraine to the point of canabalism only a few generations ago.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Jan 10 2023 12:35pm)

I don't think Russia have 40% to 50% Support. That may not be true. I think less than that.
But they are not revolting because the population are not exactly hit in the harshest way possible yet.

Quote (ferdia @ 11 Jan 2023 02:27)

Since January 2021, the United States has invested approximately $24.9 billion in security assistance to demonstrate our enduring and steadfast commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. This includes approximately $24.3 billion since Russia’s launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal war against Ukraine on February 24. Since 2014, the United States has provided approximately $27.11 billion in security assistance for training and equipment to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO.

how they can say both of those things in the same paragraph. dear oh dear.

i did a count in december, i think its 52 Billion since 2014? lets please move on from the "unprovoked" blurb! also, a billion here a billion there, pretty soon its alot of money.

and yes, i had to google that word (i feel old)

https://i.imgur.com/T8TzIFY.png

Quote (Djunior @ 10 Jan 2023 19:15)

Weapons from the Ukraine war are showing up there and I'm pretty sure they're not just AKs because they've ALWAYS been easy to get, lol. The whole world is using AK47s

And I didn't make a statement, I showed that a message was posted and later deleted which is weird if you ask me.

Like the von der Leyen slip-up that was later deleted (100K Ukrainian soldiers KIA)

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 10 Jan 2023 19:12)

M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel munitions;
good luck for Human Rights :thumbsup:
Notice there are no M1 Abrams

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 10 Jan 2023 19:20)

I think the Starbucks Barista doesn't realize that 7.62MM rounds are easily gotten in those areas than 5.56MM Nato rounds.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 10 2023 03:15am)

If that is true and it doesn't seem impossible, then it's even more motivation to continue fighting.
What you described is like a safety net of NATO membership for conceding Donbas. So why not try and regain more territory. If they can't they take a negotiated deal.

The Donbas and east in general is very valuable territory, and disproportionately valuable in comparison to other western regions. Its really not as simple as saying they could accept Russian control there.