?? where did i say that lol. i implied it ground to a halt because of winter. this is normal.

You just said "winter", lol

It was unclear what you meant because in my post that you quoted I stated clearly that Ukraine was expected to push on because they had the momentum.

That was literally the talk of the day back in autumn. Now it could be that Ukraine presses on in winter cuz there's talk of that as well https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/12/12/ukrainian-troops-may-be-massing-for-their-fourth-counteroffensive-russian-artillery-is-already-trying-to-stop-them/

Found a great video on the battle for Hostomel, a battle fought early on in Russias invasion for an airport close to Kiev.

The creator is very fair in his coverage of it and it's extremely well referenced. It is one of the best explanations I've seen of Russias goals during the initial invasion and how Ukraine managed to stop it.



This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Jan 8 2023 11:04pm

A psychopath who killed his wife and son showing no remorse for what he did because all he cared about was himself and the money.

the same kind of people are posting here, they do not care about the victims, the Dombass people or the civilians, all they want is their side to win, with possibly a lot of deaths on the side of their ennemies.

Number 1 psychopath is of course sausageman. A terrible human being that's wasted 10+ years of his life on battle.net before he decided to waste another decade on PARD.

You guys have to realize that emotions are driving you so badly into this conflict that it could easily turn any you like that guy in this video. Think about it before siding with people that aren't better at all than Pootin.

Again it's no wonder the number 1 europe country (Sweiss) remains neutral once again. If we should copytrade one country, that would be this 1 imo.

This post was edited by Melatonina on Jan 9 2023 02:12am

Dude, Dombass even sounds awful. Why don't you go check on the spelling? Donetsk basin. Donbas(s).

Kremlin claimed to have killed 600 Ukrainians in a strike on a barracks. Those at the site dispute the claim. Most likely a statement for the domestic audience of Russia, in the wake of the HIMAR strike that killed 83 Russian soldiers.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/01/08/russian-strike-ukraine-barracks-killed-600-actually-missed-target/

UK now considering sending Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine. The UK already sent tanks to Poland last year, which allowed Poland to send some of its T-72 tanks to Ukraine.

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-considering-supplying-ukraine-with-challenger-2-tanks-to-fight-russian-forces-12783107

Scholz has been particularly cautious and slow to send German made main battle tanks to Ukraine.
Although the British tanks would not be a gamechanger in itself, it would increase the ability of Ukrainians to conduct counter-offensive operations. It appears that the will of the West to support Ukraine, is not shrinking but in fact is increasing.

You base this off a country saying maybe they will send tanks?

To me polls talking to actual people are more telling.



https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/poll-shows-half-of-germans-against-sending-tanks-to-ukraine

They better not send the Leopard 2 tanks and if they do they better make sure it is less than 5.
So that they are easily accounted for.
Even then there will be danger.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jan 9 2023 08:33am

The polls are definitely a worthwhile indicator. To answer your question, yes. Its material that matters.
Finland and Poland have already said they will send leopard 2's, but it requires Germanys permission to export them.

Sending hardware such as tanks comes with additional challenges. Prior Europe was sourcing and basically crowd-funding all ex-soviet hardware to send to Ukraine. This was acceptable because that's what Ukraine used and is familiar with. They could somewhat source and make parts etc. They don't need to be re-trained.

Once you start introducing wholesale western hardware it becomes very difficult to say you're not a party to the war. What happens if a Leopard breaks down and needs parts or repairs? Are German military technicians going to come to Ukraine? If some small thing breaks down you basically have a very expensive piece of hardware that could be unusable and vulnerable for destruction because you can't source a part in a few days and need weeks if not more for the part to come from the west. Are there going to be Leopard, Challenger, fill in the blank trained Ukrainians technicians?

The greater question is, how does this actually bring us closer to the end of the war? If we were honest, it doesn't, it just perpetuates the war.