Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 7 Jan 2023 18:49)

You complain about the west and its values, and you think it is controlling; if you tried to complain anywhere else you would be in the gulag already.

Democracy is flawed but its a joke to hear you complain, when you have it so good by comparison.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 7 2023 06:49pm)

You complain about the west and its values, and you think it is controlling; if you tried to complain anywhere else you would be in the gulag already.

Democracy is flawed but its a joke to hear you complain, when you have it so good by comparison.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jan 7 2023 06:58pm)

By definition anti-all trolls are against ... All. And using arguments they found in TikTok they will explain how wrong you are... In everything ! :lol:

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jan 7 2023 04:32pm)

Seems you are completely disconnected of reality: Actual Russia is no longer "soviets". It is an abomination of mafiosos linked with secret services psychos thinking they are tzar princes. Built over neo-capitalism, kompromat weather, and nomenklatura way of life.

Russian authoritarian mafioso governement that would still continue to fund pro-russian groups in Ukraine*, assassinate, intimidate, false-flag, despite any kind of treaty "because it's not specified on the paper".

* and many, many, other countries.

The mafiosos will be neutralized, enough is enough.

/e Good luck defending that, and it's not like we have the choice...

Quote (Pisior @ 7 Jan 2023 18:27)

nobody believe that the nazi in ukraine are the factor number 1 of this war, its just an additional argument. like all war, there is many factor, cause they need many people to support it.

e:/ i add that , befor this war : nazi = prison, people shocked by this ,

but now, its ok, ukraine can have theire nazi, No problem, and Israel give weapon and help.. no problem:!!!

and maybe i will shock some weak people, but thoose nazi are far from the national socialism... they just take some symbole , but not the spirit.shame on us. sadly

Quote (Pisior @ Jan 7 2023 05:58pm)

what are you talking about? wich kind of things they dont have the right to say?

Quote (Djunior @ 8 Jan 2023 02:00)

The Soviets were the communists, the threat that was going to swallow up the West and all that but seems like you don't know anything about that, lol

It lead to an arms race never seen in history resulting in insane nuclear stockpiles.

The West successfully negotiated with the communists, treaties were signed and inspectors from both sides were sent over to inspect the opposing side.

You have no clue what you're even talking about. You live in a fantasy world.

Quote (fender @ Jan 7 2023 07:01pm)

you are right. they aren't reason #1. they also aren't reason #100, or even reason #1,000... they are an excuse. if pootin was concerned about nazis at all, wagner group wouldn't exist, and non negligible parts of the russian army would have to be de-nazified first too. there are significantly more nazis in russia than there are in ukraine.

that whole "argument" is like the US invading canada for having too many mass shooters, or germany invading the netherlands (again) to rid them of beer drinkers... it's absurd really.

you are wrong about something else though. just read through this thread. multiple people repeatedly bring up "de-nazification" as an argument to justify this war. they were completely duped by russian propaganda on this issue, even though it's such obvious bullshit. unfortunately, there are a lot of unreasonable / gullible people in this sub.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 7 2023 07:03pm)

Are you actually serious right now...

To be specific its not about the right. Everyone has the right. But its not upheld like it is in western values.

Do some research!

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 7 2023 04:42pm)

I accept NATO has expanded. I don't accept that as a justification to invade Ukraine.
You do and that is fine with me. No sense in trying to persuade a bastion of repressive oligarchs.
It's as if you literally went to Kremlin summer camp and swallowed the narrative hook, line and sinker.

There is sense in calling out your bullshit narratives and justifications. Whether it is Russian security, threatening NATO, the big bully Ukraine and its hordes of neo nazis.
If you just came out and said, well actually it has vastly more to do with power, supposed spheres of influence, resources and self preservation.

NATO expansion was inevitable in eastern europe.
Your acting like NATO held a gun to Europe's head and forced them to join.
Sort of like, what Russia is doing to Ukraine.

The US dollar is essentially the global currency and the US has secured global shipping lanes since the 1940's. Closer cooperation with that hegemony is how you get ahead.
And beyond that eastern Europeans don't want closer ties with Russia, incase you hadn't noticed?
Just compare average living standards in former soviet countries and Russia itself.