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Apr 23 2021 12:17pm
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 23 2021 08:47am)
mRNA will never be used for gene therapy, in the sense that it will never result in a permanent change to your genes. There is no way to insert the mRNA into the nucleus of the cell. There is no way to get the mRNA back into the DNA. Your body makes mRNA from DNA all day every day and the reverse action does not happen.


ok then you tell me what its called and how it works. how do you get genes past the immune system and into the cells and what happens after that. you think its a good idea foreign genetics right into the cells and increase a cells work load?


Thor is correct. He can explain it as well as me.

The mRNA vaccines aren't free of side affects, but DNA mutations are not a relevant risk.
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Thor is correct. He can explain it as well as me.

The mRNA vaccines aren't free of side affects, but DNA mutations are not a relevant risk.


who are you and what have you done with endlesssky

i'm calling the police
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island close to my home town, that has population of 20000 had less mortality rates in 2021 than in 2020.
Vaccines started rolling mid March and death rates increased by over 30% compared to 2020.
over 90% of people dying since march till today were vaccinated people.


colleague at work has uncle (70 years of age) that got vaccinated with Pfezer last friday, was told to sit in a waiting room for 5 mins after getting vaccine and they found him dead with foam in mouth.


think i'll pass as I always planned to anyway
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island close to my home town, that has population of 20000 had less mortality rates in 2021 than in 2020.
Vaccines started rolling mid March and death rates increased by over 30% compared to 2020.
over 90% of people dying since march till today were vaccinated people.


colleague at work has uncle (70 years of age) that got vaccinated with Pfezer last friday, was told to sit in a waiting room for 5 mins after getting vaccine and they found him dead with foam in mouth.


think i'll pass as I always planned to anyway


That could just be from reopening.

Statistics are hard to process because so many different factors are flying around at the same time.
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Apr 23 2021 12:56pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 23 2021 07:51pm)
That could just be from reopening.

Statistics are hard to process because so many different factors are flying around at the same time.


nothing is "re-opened" there. everything is in lockdown since 31st of December and it stays until mid May
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 23 2021 11:17am)
Thor is correct. He can explain it as well as me.

The mRNA vaccines aren't free of side affects, but DNA mutations are not a relevant risk.






https://www.deblauwetijger.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Geert-vanden-Bossche-2.pdf

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 23 2021 08:47am)
mRNA will never be used for gene therapy, in the sense that it will never result in a permanent change to your genes. There is no way to insert the mRNA into the nucleus of the cell. There is no way to get the mRNA back into the DNA. Your body makes mRNA from DNA all day every day and the reverse action does not happen.

ok then you tell me what its called and how it works. how do you get genes past the immune system and into the cells and what happens after that. you think its a good idea foreign genetics right into the cells and increase a cells work load?


So first thing, genes are never targets of the immune system. Your antibodies and whatnot don't target naked DNA in the environment. Naked DNA and RNA doesn't get taken up by cells unless it's shredded down to its components, so it's not a threat and needs no response from the immune system. If it did your genetic code would be vulnerable to animal and plant DNA every time you eat. You would eat a brussel sprout and start synthesizing brussel sproud proteins!

The reason the mRNA from the vaccine gets into your cells is because it's conjugated to a particle that is specifically designed for your cells to "eat". Your cells eat the particle with the RNA, and then the particle also causes the cells to blow up the vessel it used to "eat" the particle, which releases the RNA into your cells.

mRNA doesn't get into the nucleus of a cell. It's specifically exported from the nucleus of cells into the cytoplasm, so even if by chance it gets into the nucleus it will be actively transported out.


So now we have to get a bit into how your cells detect viral infection. When a cell is infected with a virus it starts making viral RNA/DNA, and also the protein capsule of the virus. The protein capsule will have several different proteins on it. One of those is the spike protein that is used to stimulate cells to take up the virus in the first place.

Your cells will randomly chop up proteins they are creating, and display them outside on the cell membrane. Immune cells come by and look at the proteins, and decide if there's anything foreign. If it sees a foreign protein, it recognizes that the cell is infected with a virus and kills it. Then it carries the foreign protein to your lymph nodes and shows it to your B-cells, which produce antibodies to the foreign protein.

So when you use a "fake virus" to inject mRNA that only codes for the spike protein, you can mimic a viral infection and expose your immune system to just the spike protein in a way that is very similar to how you normally build immunity. This allows you to make antibodies to the spike protein without having to have a full-blown viral infection.

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So first thing, genes are never targets of the immune system. Your antibodies and whatnot don't target naked DNA in the environment. Naked DNA and RNA doesn't get taken up by cells unless it's shredded down to its components, so it's not a threat and needs no response from the immune system. If it did your genetic code would be vulnerable to animal and plant DNA every time you eat. You would eat a brussel sprout and start synthesizing brussel sproud proteins!

The reason the mRNA from the vaccine gets into your cells is because it's conjugated to a particle that is specifically designed for your cells to "eat". Your cells eat the particle with the RNA, and then the particle also causes the cells to blow up the vessel it used to "eat" the particle, which releases the RNA into your cells.

mRNA doesn't get into the nucleus of a cell. It's specifically exported from the nucleus of cells into the cytoplasm, so even if by chance it gets into the nucleus it will be actively transported out.

So now we have to get a bit into how your cells detect viral infection. When a cell is infected with a virus it starts making viral RNA/DNA, and also the protein capsule of the virus. The protein capsule will have several different proteins on it. One of those is the spike protein that is used to stimulate cells to take up the virus in the first place.

Your cells will randomly chop up proteins they are creating, and display them outside on the cell membrane. Immune cells come by and look at the proteins, and decide if there's anything foreign. If it sees a foreign protein, it recognizes that the cell is infected with a virus and kills it. Then it carries the foreign protein to your lymph nodes and shows it to your B-cells, which produce antibodies to the foreign protein.

So when you use a "fake virus" to inject mRNA that only codes for the spike protein, you can mimic a viral infection and expose your immune system to just the spike protein in a way that is very similar to how you normally build immunity. This allows you to make antibodies to the spike protein without having to have a full-blown viral infection.


ok im just going to address a few things.

first paragraph just begs the question. why do you even have references to the digestive system its not even involved.
" If it did your genetic code would be vulnerable to animal and plant DNA every time you eat. You would eat a brussel sprout and start synthesizing brussel sproud proteins!"
(WHAT)

"mRNA doesn't get into the nucleus of a cell. It's specifically exported from the nucleus of cells into the cytoplasm, so even if by chance it gets into the nucleus it will be actively transported out."
(i never made this claim its a straw man you use)

ok once again "ok then you tell me what its called"
(its not a "vaccine" so whats it called? everyone else say mRNA gene therapy but you say it cant be called that so what would be the proper name for the jab?)

" and how it works."
(ok we agree the method is putting foreign genetics into the cells)

and this question still un answered
"you think its a good idea putting foreign genetics right into the cells and increase a cells work load?"
(cells already working overtime keeping us alive. i would imagine why everyone gets sick when they get the jab)

" This allows you to make antibodies to the spike protein without having to have a full-blown viral infection."
(vaccines dont give a "full-blown" infection thats the point of them they us a weakened strain or dead strain of what your trying to vaccinate against and then after that it only involves the immune system and doest burden the cells with xtra workload of foreign mRNA.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 23 2021 11:17am)
Thor is correct. He can explain it as well as me.

The mRNA vaccines aren't free of side affects, but DNA mutations are not a relevant risk.


im not claiming DNA mutations thats just a straw man that keeps getting thrown around to red herring the dialog

Quote (duffman316 @ Apr 23 2021 11:18am)
who are you and what have you done with endlesssky

i'm calling the police


lol

Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 23 2021 11:51am)
That could just be from reopening.

Statistics are hard to process because so many different factors are flying around at the same time.


waving it off with excuses. no one knows the long term effect of the jab and the short term isnt looking good. the whole mess is freaky with creeps like bill gates and the freaky stuff he says and frauds like dr fauci running around. Its even freakier so many here are like "ah....it will be fine dont worry bout it just line up"...............lol its like your all doped up?

what happened to this woman what causes that?
what happened to this woman?
Stay Away from Vaxxed People
https://www.bitchute.com/video/sr64sgRUDLpz/


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Quote (TheHitman @ Apr 23 2021 09:50am)
Right, I mean a good bunch of us try to apply logic on illogical stuff, it simply cannot work. I think it's tough to see for someone that have trust in the system, it's a long process of several hours and it is painful to feel cheated.

“Paradoxically, it is easier to construct a coherent story when you know little, when there are fewer pieces to fit into the puzzle.

Our comforting conviction that the world makes sense rests on a secure foundation: our almost unlimited ability to ignore our ignorance.”


i used to have trust in the system. There is a saying for people like me. (the truth will set you free but first it will piss you off) :)

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