Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 6 2023 09:18am)

On a macro, long term strategic level I really can't comprehend the logic. I've talked about this about half a dozen times at this point. We all know China is the true challenger to our hegemony and displacing us. So if we're operating under that assumption, the subsequent question is how can we weaken them and prevent that from happening. Splitting Russia from their camp should have been a top priority. You do that by getting Russia into the western sphere, which actually would have been symbiotic. Russia can continue to supply tons of cheap energy to the EU while we can leverage that relationship and ties to drive a wedge between them and China.

Instead we make Russia the enemy, and use the western created financial infrastructure to try and crush them. So what happens is a secondary and parallel infrastructure is being created which is dominated by China and you have so much of the world lining up to join them. Now China has a near guaranteed pipeline of cheap energy and raw natural resources because by trying to shut down Russia, we pushed them right into China's arms, guaranteeing crucial resources probably for decades to come. It literally put our decline on a fast track, with tons of energy producing giants looking east, forming stronger bonds with China and agreeing to stop using the greenback as the default international currency.

This has to be one of the bigger strategic mistakes we've seen in modern history, up there with Hitler opening up the eastern front. Maybe I'm missing something idk. Maybe the calculus was, that we'd be able to have some western installed puppets in Russia so we didn't need to respect their current powers?

Quote (ofthevoid @ 6 Jan 2023 15:55)

Ukraine rejected the ceasefire, so obviously there will be shelling. Few articles I read on this are framed weirdly. Like because Russia asked for a ceasefire it's all of the sudden strange and duplicitous that they would be shelling, even though a normal thinking person would understand that the ceasefire is
based on both sides agreeing to it, so if one didn't then wtf would you expect?

Quote (Djunior @ 6 Jan 2023 16:00)

Of course the usual suspects found something new to rage about, the Christmas cease-fire proposed by the Russians (Eastern Orthodox Christmas) while there was no cease-fire during our (Western) Christmas Celebrations! Well guess what:
You seem to think that the West has Ukraine in the bag already huh so let's cancel Ukraine's traditional Christmas and when Russia suggests a cease-fire (the appropriate date) let's lose our shit about it!

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jan 6 2023 04:31pm)

So you are clearly taking a side. But i can tell you that no one here is fooled by war criminal invaders. Ofc few anti-all are trolling medias comment section. Their arguments are simply too weak.
Russian launched full scale drones attacks / missiles /shellings the during Christmas 25 (30% of ukrainians recognize this day) and New year eve.

7 january truce is invalid. It is not serious, only manipulation attempt.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jan 6 2023 09:31am)

Russian launched full scale drones attacks the during Christmas 25 (30% of ukrainians recognize this day) and New year eve.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jan 5 2023 05:36pm)

70% of Ukrainians celebrate Christmas on January 7. Yes i was a bit wrong, not much celebrated it the 25.
Still the Russian orthodox church == FSB, these monasteries working for Russian intelligence is not new. In the same way... pro-russian parties are just... terrible.

Quote (Goomshill @ 6 Jan 2023 16:41)

Wonderful math by the foot-sawer, 70% of Ukrainians are orthodox and therefore 30% must be catholic or protestants.

74% of Ukrainians are Russian orthodox (Xmas = Jan 7th)
8% are UGCC or other Greek Catholic denominations (Xmas = Jan 7th), mostly in regions like transcarpathia
~1% are Catholic/Protestant, the rest unaffiliated or undefined, the catholics again in carpathia
~0.4% are jewish, but I guess the azov battallion will get around to that in time
and the carpathians aren't anywhere close to the front lines, and are pretty full of russia-leaning ethnic hungarians anyway


For the entire lifetimes of everyone in the Ukrainian war right now (foreign mercenaries and american little green men operating missile batteries exempted), Christmas falls on January 7th

Quote (ofthevoid @ 6 Jan 2023 15:55)

Ukraine rejected the ceasefire, so obviously there will be shelling. Few articles I read on this are framed weirdly. Like because Russia asked for a ceasefire it's all of the sudden strange and duplicitous that they would be shelling, even though a normal thinking person would understand that the ceasefire is based on both sides agreeing to it, so if one didn't then wtf would you expect?

Quote (fender @ Jan 6 2023 05:01pm)

russia repeatedly invades its neighbours, including ukraine.

useful idiots: "why does the west make russia its enemy? a total strategical blunder."

Quote (fender @ Jan 6 2023 05:01pm)

these guys are so brainwashed and dumb, it's almost funny...

Quote (Djunior @ 6 Jan 2023 17:42)

Ahem *cough

Imagine raking up 500B in costs in a single year. Not sure if that included the 100B defense budget increase (watched it like a week ago)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPu1jboyQd0




Look who's talking ^^

Quote (fender @ Jan 6 2023 12:01pm)

first of all, pootin declared a unilateral ceasefire. maybe look up what that means, since you clearly don't understand it.