Lmao the more they double down that Ukraine can do no wrong, the more silly they look.

hey thats what we do in germany

standart in democracy

Please go volunteer, your tactical expertise is needed sun tzu.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/joe-biden-meet-afghan-president-ashraf-ghani-white/story?id=78466339

you can push those russian propaganda narratives, slander zelensky, and strawman the shit out of those opposing putin's repeated wars of aggression, but that doesn't change the simple fact that there would be no war if putin hadn't invaded, and that it would be over immediately if he just withdrew his troops from ukraine.

even a propaganda NPC like you, uncritically buying into every little horror story pushed by the kremlin, no matter how absurd, can escape that simple truth. zelensky doesn't have to be a "beacon of freedom" or even just a politician making difficult decisions to protect his people and his country during a foreign invasion - nothing of that is necessary to acknowledge that if putin actually wanted "PEACE", he could have it in an instant - but he's not interested. a point you will obviously continue to ignore while brainlessly pushing absurd propaganda spins, in order to make the ukrainians look bad for defending their country, lol...

Kramatorsk shelling........

Live: Shelling heard in frontline Ukrainian cities as Russia announces ceasefire

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230106-live-moscow-ceasefire-comes-into-force-in-ukraine-russian-state-tv-says

A unilateral Russian ceasefire ordered by President Vladimir Putin was supposed to come into force along the entire front as of noon Moscow time (10am Paris time), Russian state television said, but journalists reported shelling on both sides of the frontline. The ceasefire, dismissed by Ukraine as an empty gesture and an attempt by Moscow to gain time to regroup its forces, was expected to last until late Saturday. Follow our blog for all the latest developments. All times are Paris time (GMT+1).

Ukraine rejected the ceasefire, so obviously there will be shelling. Few articles I read on this are framed weirdly. Like because Russia asked for a ceasefire it's all of the sudden strange and duplicitous that they would be shelling, even though a normal thinking person would understand that the ceasefire is based on both sides agreeing to it, so if one didn't then wtf would you expect?

Of course the usual suspects found something new to rage about, the Christmas cease-fire proposed by the Russians (Eastern Orthodox Christmas) while there was no cease-fire during our (Western) Christmas Celebrations! Well guess what:



You seem to think that the West has Ukraine in the bag already huh so let's cancel Ukraine's traditional Christmas and when Russia suggests a cease-fire (the appropriate date) let's lose our shit about it!

My favorite part was when the media were trying to frame it in a better light so they focused on the amazing logistical success of the retreat lmao

On a macro, long term strategic level I really can't comprehend the logic. I've talked about this about half a dozen times at this point. We all know China is the true challenger to our hegemony and displacing us. So if we're operating under that assumption, the subsequent question is how can we weaken them and prevent that from happening. Splitting Russia from their camp should have been a top priority. You do that by getting Russia into the western sphere, which actually would have been symbiotic. Russia can continue to supply tons of cheap energy to the EU while we can leverage that relationship and ties to drive a wedge between them and China.

Instead we make Russia the enemy, and use the western created financial infrastructure to try and crush them. So what happens is a secondary and parallel infrastructure is being created which is dominated by China and you have so much of the world lining up to join them. Now China has a near guaranteed pipeline of cheap energy and raw natural resources because by trying to shut down Russia, we pushed them right into China's arms, guaranteeing crucial resources probably for decades to come. It literally put our decline on a fast track, with tons of energy producing giants looking east, forming stronger bonds with China and agreeing to stop using the greenback as the default international currency.

This has to be one of the bigger strategic mistakes we've seen in modern history, up there with Hitler opening up the eastern front. Maybe I'm missing something idk. Maybe the calculus was, that we'd be able to have some western installed puppets in Russia so we didn't need to respect their current powers?