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Jan 6 2023 07:31am
Quote (fender @ Jan 6 2023 07:17am)
there isn't a despot whose boots you don't lick, huh? this is not about "peace", lol. putin could easily have actual peace. lasting peace. all he has to do is leave ukraine. any military action will stop immediately. everyone in the west would be in favour of that. no one wants a piece of russia. it's all in his hands.

putin doesn't want peace though. he wants a temporary ceasefire for religious / political reasons and then continue the raping, murdering of children, bombing of civilians, annexation of foreign territory.

only a dishonest little hack would try to frame that as wanting "peace", lol.


War-loving german fascists, when have I seen this before
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Jan 6 2023 07:49am
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All it would take to defuse any 'optics' and mitigate any dissent it would build up with the orthodox christian ukrainians, is to simply accept the christmas truce. Russia doesn't have any control over whether NATO would accept an olive branch and jiggle their puppets accordingly. Instead they're using christmas to crack down on and suppress orthodox churches in the country. Nobody is forcing the germans, americans, british, etc to all put out statements denouncing a call for peace and demand more bloodshed. Pakistan is dripping with scorn as it nominates erdogan for the nobel peace prize for his attempts to mediate this conflict, while joe biden put out a statement accusing russian of dropping bombs 'on december 25th'


I mean I agree, they (Ukrainians) kind of fumbled the optics of this. They are cracking down on Russian tied Orthodox churches because they are labeling them 'agents' which maybe true at some level but to think every random priest in every small town from this denomination is some Russian agent that's trying to brain wash it's town people is retarded. So Russia seeing this just seized the opportunity to further frame them as anti-orthodox with this move.

Like I understand if they rejected this truce because they are pounding and have the Russians on the backfoot and the next 36 hours are crucial, but they're not lol. The war is pretty much at a stale mate currently, in fact the Ukrainians are actually on the backfoot in the Soledar/Backhmut direction so it's not as if this temporary truce would give Russia some advantage. Idk, don't really get the logic.
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Jan 6 2023 07:56am
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but to think every random priest in every small town from this denomination is some Russian agent that's trying to brain wash it's town people is retarded.


No one thinks that. Yet Ukraine arrested a few dozens of russian church priests. on the scale of a 40 millions people country.
While it's recognized at world level, validated in the wiki or whatever tons of articles on that: a network of spies exists within russian church.
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Jan 6 2023 07:58am
Quote (Goomshill @ 6 Jan 2023 14:31)
War-loving german fascists, when have I seen this before


called out on your boot-licking and pushing of brain-dead kremlin narratives, you just resort to outright lying and illiteracy.

again, the non-kremlin-aligned west is in favour of immediate and lasting ACTUAL PEACE. all putin has to do is withdraw his troops from FOREIGN SOIL, and the war is over. no one wants a piece of russia, pootin bot.
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Jan 6 2023 08:00am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 6 2023 07:49am)
I mean I agree, they (Ukrainians) kind of fumbled the optics of this. They are cracking down on Russian tied Orthodox churches because they are labeling them 'agents' which maybe true at some level but to think every random priest in every small town from this denomination is some Russian agent that's trying to brain wash it's town people is retarded. So Russia seeing this just seized the opportunity to further frame them as anti-orthodox with this move.

Like I understand if they rejected this truce because they are pounding and have the Russians on the backfoot and the next 36 hours are crucial, but they're not lol. The war is pretty much at a stale mate currently, in fact the Ukrainians are actually on the backfoot in the Soledar/Backhmut direction so it's not as if this temporary truce would give Russia some advantage. Idk, don't really get the logic.


Pretty sure unforced errors and strategic miscalculations explain most NATO policy for the past few decades.
At least our exit strategy in Afghanistan didn't entail escalating up to a nuclear confrontation
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Jan 6 2023 08:02am
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No one thinks that. Yet Ukraine arrested a few dozens of russian church priests. on the scale of a 40 millions people country.
While it's recognized at world level, validated in the wiki or whatever tons of articles on that: a network of spies exists within russian church.


he has to resort to absurd misrepresentation of the facts in order to make them sound ridiculous, because the ACTUAL ukrainian rationale, which is very much a reasonable one, goes against his favoured kremlin narrative of zelensky simply oppressing orthodox people out of bigotry, or whatever pootin is trying to tell the world to protect his assets.

bunch of useful idiots amongst the (american) fart-right doing russia's bidding these days...
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Jan 6 2023 08:17am
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he has to resort to absurd misrepresentation of the facts in order to make them sound ridiculous, because the ACTUAL ukrainian rationale, which is very much a reasonable one, goes against his favoured kremlin narrative of zelensky simply oppressing orthodox people out of bigotry, or whatever pootin is trying to tell the world to protect his assets.

bunch of useful idiots amongst the (american) fart-right doing russia's bidding these days...


The worst part is that none of them will dare to explain me why they are barely promoting such an insane mafioso-authoritarian regime.
I don't understand how they can resolve their domestic issues with it.
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Jan 6 2023 08:19am
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he has to resort to absurd misrepresentation of the facts in order to make them sound ridiculous, because the ACTUAL ukrainian rationale, which is very much a reasonable one, goes against his favoured kremlin narrative of zelensky simply oppressing orthodox people out of bigotry, or whatever pootin is trying to tell the world to protect his assets.

bunch of useful idiots amongst the (american) fart-right doing russia's bidding these days...


The beacon of freedom and democracy is here to crush religions, overthrow free and fairly elected governments, seize churches by force, nationalize the media, ban opposition parties, assassinate journalists and commit war crimes and find the last remaining organized group of actual Nazis on the planet and arm them to the teeth. What a black and white battle between good and evil, where NATO's crusade against the tyranny of Putin is morally, ethically and legally justified right up until the point where Russia snaps and drops a nuke. I did like the part where at the outbreak of the war the first thing the Ukrainians started doing was distributing molotov cocktails to child soldiers. That's been something of a recurring theme with these NATO interventions, no propaganda from our enemies abroad could ever match the damning stuff we let slip. Like how in Syria the white helmets filmed themselves doing a mannequin challenge and revealed the carefully orchestrated hollywood production quality sound stages they were using to fake war footage to drum up support for ISIS-adjacent Sunni militias. But again, at least Assad didn't have nukes.
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Jan 6 2023 08:22am
>Ban every opposition political party
>Ban any news/media source that doesn't 100% agree with the current people in power
>Ban Russian linked Orthodox churches because maybe some of them are Russian agents but we'll go with wholesale cleansing just in case

Russia isn't any better but to say what we're seeing out of Ukraine in the last 12 months as displays of upholding western democracy is laughable and it's pretty funny watching simps try to justify these moves as totally fine and to be supported otherwise you're just a Putin apologist.
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>Ban every opposition political party
>Ban any news/media source that doesn't 100% agree with the current people in power
>Ban Russian linked Orthodox churches because maybe some of them are Russian agents but we'll go with wholesale cleansing just in case

Russia isn't any better but to say what we're seeing out of Ukraine in the last 12 months as displays of upholding western democracy is laughable and it's pretty funny watching simps try to justify these moves as totally fine and to be supported otherwise you're just a Putin apologist.


Well being the Russian sphere of influence is clearly better on the principle of not rocking the boat with conflict to begin with. At least post Holodomor, life in Ukraine was clearly and obviously better pre Euromaidan. We didn't really bother with the customary US high horse bullshit of pretending we're spreading freedom and democracy abroad to save oppressed people from themselves, purple-fingered hajjis and all- instead we jumped straight to arming literal Nazi war criminals. Still, the other hand is a question of why I should care about what's best for the Ukrainian people, their problems shouldn't be my problems, what should matter to America is how we're severing our last chance of uniting the rest of the world against ascendant China and instead uniting the world against us. Not learning a thing from the last Ukrainian boogaloo in 2014 and Syrian War and again poking Russia in a way guaranteed to fracture our EU alliance.
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