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Jul 18 2018 02:13pm
Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Jul 18 2018 03:00pm)
Sanders just said in the press briefing that he never said it, heh.

That he was saying no more questions, not answering the reporter.

She's been quiet for a while and suddenly she has to scramble to lie for him again, must be exhausting for her.


Smoky eye sanders at it again
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Jul 18 2018 02:17pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 18 2018 01:49pm)
Really just gets down to the difference between “objective” and “neutral”. Most people struggle with the difference, and don’t necessarily understand that being neutral is NOT a virtue on 99% of issues.


yeah the GOP is looking for neutrality, which basically means every 4-8 years the entire department would be subject to lose their jobs. that's a terrible prospect for the intel community, these guys NEED to be lifers.
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Jul 18 2018 04:33pm
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Point taken but I don't think it's problematic at all if in fact Trump is in fact a Russian asset.

I'm not too familiar with OIG report on McCabe, but the FISA warrant was not based solely based on the Steele Dossier, so how was that granted without proper protocol? are you referring to the highly partisan Nunes report? you actually buy that? lmao, or am I missing something? The Strzok bias is a nothingburther more or less, one single FBI agent trying to impress/court a co-worker or whatever is not very good evidence of widespread anti-Trump bias in the FBI.


The OIG report on McCabe was more or less unrelated to the Russian probe or Special Counsel, but revealed that McCabe had a pattern of untruthful behavior (lied 3 times under oath), improperly disclosed authorized information to the media, and then misled Comey about it. Keep in mind that the DoJ Inspector General who put this together is an Obama appointee.

The FISA Warrant stuff. My understanding is that it's a pretty difficult process to obtain a FISA warrant and there needs to be documented and verified information to get one. Essentially, Nunes and co asserted that key parts of the Steele Dossier may have been illegally obtained because proper FISA warrant protocol was not followed to gather info on Carter Page. The FISA process essentially turned into a secret court of sorts, violating the rights of the accused and internal FBI protocol.

All of it is painting a pattern of sloppy and political behavior in the FBI. I'm not even getting into the Comey stuff here. The intelligence community has a lot of power. It's up to us to keep them in check, even if we think they are trying to do good.

Quote (Scaly @ 18 Jul 2018 14:45)
Strzok's 'bias' is not fbi incompetency. I've said it before - you need intelligent, competent and objective investigators. Anyone like that is gonna think Trump is a twat. Because he is objectively a twat and you have to be stupid or incompetent to think otherwise.

Arguing that you should only have people investigating who don't think Trump is an utter tool is arguing for the investigation to be conducted by morons.


It's still incompetency. Even if you take Strzok's wordand assume Mueller only fired him due to the bad perception, look at the damage his bias has done to the credibility of the investigation.

Even if his personal biases didn't actually affect Strzok's work in any way, it seems like the FBI is letting politics and/or sloppiness seep more and more into their work.
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Jul 18 2018 05:10pm
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It's still incompetency. Even if you take Strzok's wordand assume Mueller only fired him due to the bad perception, look at the damage his bias has done to the credibility of the investigation.

Even if his personal biases didn't actually affect Strzok's work in any way, it seems like the FBI is letting politics and/or sloppiness seep more and more into their work.


The only mistake Strzok made was expressing political opinions on an FBI device while being an agent on two extremely high profile political investigations. Had he expressed his opinions on a personal phone, we wouldn't even know his name. It's just nonsense to think that he can't both have a strong opinion on Trump's character, and do his job in an unbiased way.

I think it's worth noting... Trump is objectively a huge asshole. He said many things during the campaign that are offensive to any reasonable person. So pretending every person offended by him is some Democrat shill is laughable.
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Jul 18 2018 05:16pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jul 18 2018 07:10pm)
The only mistake Strzok made was expressing political opinions on an FBI device while being an agent on two extremely high profile political investigations. Had he expressed his opinions on a personal phone, we wouldn't even know his name. It's just nonsense to think that he can't both have a strong opinion on Trump's character, and do his job in an unbiased way.

I think it's worth noting... Trump is objectively a huge asshole. He said many things during the campaign that are offensive to any reasonable person. So pretending every person offended by him is some Democrat shill is laughable.




Yeah, you're probably right. The anti-Trump cabal would never think to listen in on a personal device. :/
Even knowing as we do, that the FBI and the DOJ are at minimum compromised somewhat.
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Jul 18 2018 05:26pm
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Yeah, you're probably right. The anti-Trump cabal would never think to listen in on a personal device. :/
Even knowing as we do, that the FBI and the DOJ are at minimum compromised somewhat.


What on earth are you referring to here...
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Jul 18 2018 05:33pm
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What on earth are you referring to here...




Oh, I don't know, maybe on what I quoted. Sheesh. :/
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Jul 18 2018 06:03pm
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Oh, I don't know, maybe on what I quoted. Sheesh. :/


Still have no idea, lmao. Are you insinuating that Strzok did something which there's no evidence of?
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Jul 18 2018 06:12pm
Quote (IceMage @ 18 Jul 2018 18:10)
The only mistake Strzok made was expressing political opinions on an FBI device while being an agent on two extremely high profile political investigations. Had he expressed his opinions on a personal phone, we wouldn't even know his name. It's just nonsense to think that he can't both have a strong opinion on Trump's character, and do his job in an unbiased way.

I think it's worth noting... Trump is objectively a huge asshole. He said many things during the campaign that are offensive to any reasonable person. So pretending every person offended by him is some Democrat shill is laughable.


I'm not just looking at Strzok. I'm taking many things into consideration. The OIG report on McCabe, the illegal FISA warrants, Comey repeatedly breaking norms with FBI protocol (Horwitz called him 'insubordinate').

Even if you want to assume that there was zero bias, they have been extremely sloppy.
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Jul 18 2018 06:17pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 18 2018 08:12pm)
I'm not just looking at Strzok. I'm taking many things into consideration. The OIG report on McCabe, the illegal FISA warrants, Comey repeatedly breaking norms with FBI protocol (Horwitz called him 'insubordinate').

Even if you want to assume that there was zero bias, they have been extremely sloppy.


I still want to know where are you getting this notion that the FISA warrants were illegal? Unless i missed something, everything i read says they were legal and not based off the steele dossier. Because if youre basing that off the Nunes report then... yeah... lol
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