If we use the numbers you yourself suggested, then the conclusion is clearly that Trump skimmed a small percentage off the top, but the numbers are largely unchanged from the last year of the previous administration so far.

Also, if we use the numbers you yourself suggested, it's clear that "what was occuring before" was an overwhelming success, since the numbers were reduced by nearly 50% from the start of Obama's term to the end.

I think it's pretty obvious that apprehension numbers is data that is comparable to the number of individuals crossing. There is going to be a direct correlation between those factors. It's not like CBP is going to only apprehend 20,000 one month, 100,000 the next month, 50,000 the month after that. There is obvious trends in the data that shows that is not the case.

We now have a better system and technology in place to ensure that people are apprehended. I will credit Mexico as I believe they have had a good amount of help in this as well.

Not sure why people try so hard to criticize Trump on his victories.

You would maybe have more success if you criticized him in other areas which have more debatable stances.

This was a victory for Trump.

What does Obama have to do with current illegal immigration trends? It's not like he was out here lobbying for more CBP assistance to stop a current ongoing issue. And a person can applause Obama for a positive impact (who also utilized fencing construction and had high deportation numbers) that he may have had in the past, as well as applauding Trump for his. I'm fine with that.

I don't think that takes away from a Trump victory, plus, many things change over years in regards to factors such as the implementation of Sanctuary cities and free healthcare for illegal immigrants which provide further incentives for illegal immigration. Which Trump had to go against. Combine that with a Congress that would rather have Trump fail than help the American people.

144,000 migrants in May. 62,000 in August.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Jan 1 2020 12:53pm

Obama is relevant because you said "what was occurring before clearly wasn't working", even though there was as clear and strong trend down for the past decade.

Also, a giant surge in May is actually really strong evidence that Trump ISN'T having the effect you are claiming. He clearly hasn't solved the problem as there are still large surges of border crossings.



It doesn't look like what Trump is doing is working. He had a low year in 2017 across the board, but 2019 is shaping up to be a new high in illegal crossings.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 1 2020 12:55pm

It's at 40,000 apprehensions monthly and declining. So it clearly is working. 144,000 in comparison to 40,000 now. Plus, our current system would be far more effective at actual apprehension with the new technology and changes that have been implemented.

Meanwhile, many things change over years in regards to factors such as the implementation of Sanctuary cities and free healthcare for illegal immigrants. Which I'm fairly confident Obama did not have to go against this. The same current Democratic opposition in place as Obama himself has said the new Democratic party has gone too far left.

This was a victory for Trump. Can you imagine what those numbers would be if he hadn't taken action?

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Jan 1 2020 01:01pm

Anybody can have a good month or two. Trump's overall trend though has been static with the end of the last administration.

Obama definitely did have to deal with sanctuary cities. San Francisco has been a "sanctuary city" since 1989 and strengthened its stance in 2013. You're making a fundamental mistake that a lot of people make, in that you assume since you only heard about a problem recently it's only existed that long. Unless you have a list of cities that only became sanctuary cities since 2016. I'd be very interested in that list.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 1 2020 01:04pm

Anybody can have a good month or two. Riiiight. It's been 6 months. It's pretty obvious when you look at the trend that a massive impact has occurred.



Right, now we have a California that flat out refuses to have federal law enforcement intervene, with City officials informing illegal immigrants of incoming Federal law enforcement raids.

Then please post the last 6 months of apprehensions, and the same 6 months of apprehensions for the past few years as comparison.

I'd like it if you could post a source to back up the claim that California is behaving significantly differently now compared to under previous administration. We are hearing about it because they're in contention, but that doesn't mean their activities have actually changed.

You haven't had a good day since the moment you were born. Let alone a good month. Maybe 2020 will be a new you.

We have a current Democratic government that encourages illegal immigration at the Congress level. Yet Obama implemented factors to curb illegal immigration, you don't see the difference in that?

A government where Obama and Hillary both suggest implementation of Border Wall, but when Donald Trump does, it is deemed unacceptable.

I do not have to post sources for everything I post, it's obvious things have changed when you can even see this in the Democrat debates when the topic of illegal immigration appears and the mass majority of Presidential candidates are pro open borders. Not just California. Open Borders are not a moderate policy.

Once again, current trends showed a static incline which Donald Trump stopped. Numbers that dropped as much as 60%+. You said that for yourself. Yet you refuse to credit that without acknowledging that those numbers would be substantially higher if current trends were allowed to continue.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Jan 1 2020 01:24pm