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Jul 29 2021 09:06am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 29 2021 11:00am)
And i pander to trump supporters and live in a dream world. got it.


never said you live in a dream world. but your analogies are wrong because you think my sole stance is that i hate trump and cannot see beyond that stance where i have indicated many times the policies he campaigned on that i support - none of which he executed.

in terms of EC verification and state legislatures, yes, that would be the case if there was actual fraud. in this case, there was none, and it is trump just being a sore loser. don't act like what he is doing with the 2020 election is normal.

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Jul 29 2021 10:10am
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imagine pandering to trump snowflakes to make them feel less hurt about the shit that he told his supporters to do.

it is exactly what it was and it was perpetrated by trump. this, in addition to his solicitation of the DOJ, state representatives, the courts, his supporters, to continuously undermine the election, it is time to stop pandering to this alternate reality these losers live in - the fact that his supporters have turned into full on cult like worship without being able to speak bad of him nor of detach themselves from what an idiot he was is beyond delusional, unhealthy, and just downright stupid. a truly low point in the history of the US and in North America in general. The US can hardly be the voice of reason in any other country after this. i stand firm with what i said, every person in that video who enterred the capitol under this pretense deserved a bullet.

trump has never wanted to win by rules/laws lmao, you are kidding yourself if you believe that. trump has lived in the courts his entire life - using loans from foreign lenders to exhaust systems, individuals, and others to get what he wants. he is the complete opposite of what the american dream is. is it his fault the justice system is so stupid? definitely not, but he loves the chaos and revels in it.

I agreed, trump campaigned great, he hit on key issues, he executed NONE. once he got into office he was more interested in looting the treasury and creating chaos.

Jared and Ivanka made nearly 1 billion while working in official white house capacity, trump, at every chance he got, redirected federal events to his own properties. to compare him to robert baratheon who actually struck down rhaegar is a disservice. trump has never accomplished anything of note on an individual basis in his entire life.


Quote (Budgeting @ Jul 29 2021 10:06am)
never said you live in a dream world. but your analogies are wrong because you think my sole stance is that i hate trump and cannot see beyond that stance where i have indicated many times the policies he campaigned on that i support - none of which he executed.

in terms of EC verification and state legislatures, yes, that would be the case if there was actual fraud. in this case, there was none, and it is trump just being a sore loser. don't act like what he is doing with the 2020 election is normal.


i correct myself, you didn't say i was in a dream world i dont know where i got that from. you did say tho i was kidding myself and that the facts i laid out were pandering to an alternate reality for trump supporters. both of which i disagree im doing in any sense.

as to EC verification, not quite, state election officials do NOT need proven fraud in court to withhold verification. its actually a strange loophole in the system wherein they can withhold for just about any reason. now of course they would then face consequences from the public, maybe even legal consequences, but raising doubt in the legitimacy enough for them to bite was all that was needed. Trump simply failed to get that done, likely because in this media driven era not even a diehard trump voter wants their name plastered all over the news.
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Jul 29 2021 10:28am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 28 2021 02:39pm)
im happy to concede "zip ties guy", as i was only using him as a reference (fallaciously, admittedly if that's true) to the crowd that had bad intentions to do something serious.

this video while hyperbolic in its typical NY times narrative does a decent job of laying out the online organization and radio back channels, oathkeepers etc wearing body armor and using radios to organize a plan to take members of the "deepstate" into custody

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJVMoe7OY0

timestamp 20 min literally shows the people at the head of the rioters demanding an officer tell them where they're counting the votes. and we have pardians claiming this wasnt to stop the electoral college vote. likely because they read fox news write ups on how the dems language is off, not the timeline of footage and because they're idiots.


Can someone rational please explain to me why you would not want these events investigated?

I watched the whole 40 minute video, these events are actually appalling. Pro right groups this time, well if antifa is dangerous and coordinated - why wouldn’t you want this event investigated? It would serve to prevent future organizations pulling off similar stunts, regardless of the political side you are standing on. Some users here are drastically downplaying this event. Like what you fools think would have happened if they actually successfully made contract with xyz congressman



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Jul 29 2021 10:32am
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Can someone rational please explain to me why you would not want these events investigated?

I watched the whole 40 minute video, these events are actually appalling. Pro right groups this time, well if antifa is dangerous and coordinated - why wouldn’t you want this event investigated? It would serve to prevent future organizations pulling off similar stunts, regardless of the political side you are standing on. Some users here are drastically downplaying this event. Like what you fools think would have happened if they actually successfully made contract with xyz congressman


Who is downplaying it?

In what way are they downplaying it?

There was $500,000 damage done to a federal building and the only incident-related death was a right wing protestor. And all of the people involved are going to jail unlike antifa. It sounds like the response is fair so far.

The investigation is politicized and based on imagery to shift blame away from some of the culprits. The FBI admitted that they were responsible for this by not warning the capital police. The FBI wants to shift blame onto Trump and the right wing so they can impose a police state.
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Jul 29 2021 10:32am
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Can someone rational please explain to me why you would not want these events investigated?

I watched the whole 40 minute video, these events are actually appalling. Pro right groups this time, well if antifa is dangerous and coordinated - why wouldn’t you want this event investigated? It would serve to prevent future organizations pulling off similar stunts, regardless of the political side you are standing on. Some users here are drastically downplaying this event. Like what you fools think would have happened if they actually successfully made contract with xyz congressman


i'd prefer an FBI or even independent investigator to look into it and present a full report to Congress, rather than congress itself investigating. But to not want it investigated at all is lunacy.

it all stems back to what i said earlier, some people saw Qshaman and a few rednecks strolling inside the building and decided then and there it wasn't as violent as the Dems were making it out to be, making fun of AOC and company for tweeting that they were in danger. To a degree myself among them. but refusing to take in new info to maybe alter that stance is partisan driven ideological cowardice for intellectually lazy people with middling at best IQs.

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Who is downplaying it?

In what way are they downplaying it?

There was $500,000 damage done to a federal building and the only incident-related death was a right wing protestor. And all of the people involved are going to jail unlike antifa. It sounds like the response is fair so far.

The investigation is politicized and based on imagery to shift blame away from some of the culprits. The FBI admitted that they were responsible for this by not warning the capital police. The FBI wants to shift blame onto Trump and the right wing so they can impose a police state.


ofthevoid literally said its no big deal because it happens all the time in 3rd world shithole african/middle east countries, and he (like you) is reporting the 1 officer death as if that settles the matter. ignoring that for months he's categorized it as a fairly peaceful event where cops realized they were outmanned and let people stroll in to take selfies. goalpost shifts from non-violence to nearly-non-fatal is cowardice. he even said the 2 protesters died of "natural causes". the copium tolerance is high in that one.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jul 29 2021 10:36am
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ofthevoid literally said its no big deal because it happens all the time in 3rd world shithole african/middle east countries, and he (like you) is reporting the 1 officer death as if that settles the matter. ignoring that for months he's categorized it as a fairly peaceful event where cops realized they were outmanned and let people stroll in to take selfies. goalpost shifts from non-violence to nearly-non-fatal is cowardice. he even said the 2 protesters died of "natural causes". the copium tolerance is high in that one.


I'm pretty sure he would agree with me.

The part that you are ignoring is our third-world style two-tier justice system that lets rapists, looters, and murderers run free in the jungles of Wakanda meanwhile people going on an unguided tour of the capital are sitting in solitary confinement.
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Jul 29 2021 10:39am
This is not a big deal

What about benghazi?
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Jul 29 2021 10:44am
Quote (duffman316 @ Jul 29 2021 12:39pm)
This is not a big deal

What about benghazi?


Fake whataboutism.

If you're gunna troll at least put C+ effort.
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Jul 29 2021 10:51am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jul 29 2021 11:38am)
I'm pretty sure he would agree with me.

The part that you are ignoring is our third-world style two-tier justice system that lets rapists, looters, and murderers run free in the jungles of Wakanda meanwhile people going on an unguided tour of the capital are sitting in solitary confinement.


in the third world you get hung for being accused of that, not let off.

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meanwhile people going on an unguided tour of the capital are sitting in solitary confinement


case in point. you show your iq daily.
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Jul 29 2021 10:57am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 29 2021 12:51pm)
in the third world you get hung for being accused of that, not let off.


Who is getting let off?

Why isn't the FBI using face recognition technology to hunt down these worthless Wakandans?

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 29 2021 12:51pm)
case in point. you show your iq daily.


The FBI is lumping low-tier crimes with worse crimes to make it look like it was worse than it actually was.

Nick Och's is sitting in solitary confinement even though he had a Press Pass to be inside the Capitol legally.
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