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some people criticize me for sleeping 17 hours per day but
the dreamstate is a realm like you've never seen before
it is where stories are told and realized
just don't take the dirt nap
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I was referring to the big companies of course not to the local small to medium ones. You talk about highly skilled when in a factory those are few and the hardest work it's done by the majority, well at least that is how things go were I currently live.
The big companies usually eat the small ones and it's quite difficult for the small entrepreneurs to survive.
I lived in communism and probably that's why I find it better then capitalism and cannot embrace it since poor people are still treat as modern slaves.
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I was referring to the big companies of course not to the local small to medium ones. You talk about highly skilled when in a factory those are few and the hardest work it's done by the majority, well at least that is how things go were I currently live.
The big companies usually eat the small ones and it's quite difficult for the small entrepreneurs to survive.
I lived in communism and probably that's why I find it better then capitalism and cannot embrace it since poor people are still treat as modern slaves.


You've clearly never worked in a factory. Most factory "work" involves monitoring and repairing of automation machines. It's highly skilled and highly compensated work, not some minimum wage job.

I get that Marx is your hero, but this isn't the 1800s. We aren't working on Assembly lines. Nearly all of that is automated. We've progressed far beyond that point.

And if you lived in Communism and find it better, remain in a communist nation. The US doesn't want you, and you don't want the US.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 20 2020 07:31pm)
No. A private business that does business with the public. It does not "serve" anything but itself. The fact that you're 100% ignorant of what business ownership is is your problem, not mine. That you seek to control the lives and livelihoods of other people makes you disgusting and unprincipled.

Businesses are not "public servants" and are not answerable to the public beyond following the same laws as anyone else. When someone comes to your home, your private property, they're obligated to either follow your rules (within the law), or leave. Likewise, when you enter a business, you're entering private property, and need to either obey the rules of the business, or leave. It's simple math. Public servants is the description of government employees, such as governors who're arbitrarily decreeing that private properties cannot be open to the public. How's that serving, exactly?



Worked great for the Soviets. How many starved again? Worked great for the Chinese. How many starved, and were forced into unpaid labor? Worked great for Venezuela. Worked great for Cuba. Worked great for... Well, let's just say you're an idiot and call it good at that.

A private business isn't "hunting easy profits on the back of the poor." A private business is just a person or people who say, "Hey, I can do this thing that other people may value, so I'm going to do this thing and sell it, so that I can put food on my table while spreading value to others." The idea behind private business is that those who provide more value from the goods or services they provide earn more compensation for doing so. In this way, it's beneficial to be more highly skilled, more knowledgeable, and to provide higher quality goods and services. Effectively "the better and more innovative you are, the more you get." When you nationalize everything, skills aren't valued. You're mandated to do whatever you're told, and being particularly skilled or knowledgeable gets you nothing extra. There's no reason to strive for more, no reason to progress past what's currently in existence, no reason to move forward. Because you will never have control of your own life or your own future. Some government official can and likely will fuck you the moment you even start to show any form of innovative spirit.

I get that you're probably referring to large multinational corporations like Amazon, but I'm not. I'm talking about the millions of small businesses all across the United States. Those businesses are privately owned and operated. They're financed through the blood sweat and tears of the individuals who started them. People who don't have some magical government bailout to fall back on when times get tough. People who invested their lives, livelihoods, futures, and in many cases families on their professions. That you want to take it all away from them arbitrarily and without just compensation merely makes you a tyrannical communist, and you can go fuck yourself.


f a business that served the public just up and decided they would at a whim block people from entering their store how many legal problems do you think they would end up with???

these stores that "serve" the public by your understanding can decide who eats and who doesnt? and by your understanding your ok with that??

and now back to the question you dodge
"and the big question still is, "at what point do you draw the line" that question determines whether your an "order follower" or not. It determines if you have any principle."
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f a business that served the public just up and decided they would at a whim block people from entering their store how many legal problems do you think they would end up with???

these stores that "serve" the public by your understanding can decide who eats and who doesnt? and by your understanding your ok with that??

and now back to the question you dodge
"and the big question still is, "at what point do you draw the line" that question determines whether your an "order follower" or not. It determines if you have any principle."


Businesses do not "serve" the public. Businesses do business, aka sell their products or services to the public. They are not public works. They're private property financed through private investment. The word "serve" doesn't exist in the model of private business. Get it through your head.

And yes, a restaurant can refuse to serve you if you violate their policies, thereby deciding you are not going to eat there. Absolutely. You have no right to compel the labor of other people. They are NOT public servants, they are NOT being paid by tax dollars.

Regarding the racial issue, you cannot by law refuse service based solely on the ethnicity, religion, or gender of the potential customer. On the flipside, you CAN refuse service based on lack of shirt, shoes, pants, mask, etc. Because it's your private property. :)
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well the entire idea of the concept of marxism is that oh, here's an apple
here's an orchard
you can have an apple from the orchard oops no now you have to slave for said apple
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good for the rich guys
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now you work for said apple
which nature provided free to begin with
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ 21 Dec 2020 04:53)
You've clearly never worked in a factory. Most factory "work" involves monitoring and repairing of automation machines. It's highly skilled and highly compensated work, not some minimum wage job.

I get that Marx is your hero, but this isn't the 1800s. We aren't working on Assembly lines. Nearly all of that is automated. We've progressed far beyond that point.

And if you lived in Communism and find it better, remain in a communist nation. The US doesn't want you, and you don't want the US.


In matter fact I am working on an assembly line where we do safety belts and I do that in Germany and still getting paid under the minimum wage and work as a slave...
They say take it or leave it, and it's a top 5 car components manufacturer worldwide, so from my point of view poor will stay poor and rich will get richer thanks to capitalism.
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