source? i think about 2 months ago we were at 30K dead on either side with about 70-90k injured, each side.

there is a wiki for these numbers.

/edit looks like estimated 60K dead each side now (and general idea is x3 times that injured, each side).

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 4 2023 01:38pm

BBC report.
10 November 2022

Please note these are America estimates...


The most senior US general estimates that around 100,000 Russian and 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed or injured in the war in Ukraine.

Gen Mark Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, also suggested that around 40,000 civilians had died after being caught up in the conflict.

The estimates are the highest offered yet by a Western official.

He also said that signs Kyiv was willing to re-enter talks with Moscow offered "a window" for negotiations.

In recent days, Ukraine has signalled a willingness to hold some discussions with Moscow, after President Volodymyr Zelensky dropped a demand that his opposite number, Vladimir Putin, must be removed from power before negotiations could resume.

But speaking in New York, Gen Milley added that for any talks to be successful, both Russia and Ukraine would have to reach a "mutual recognition" that a wartime victory "is maybe not achievable through military means, and therefore you need to turn to other means".

The top general - who serves as President Joe Biden's most senior military adviser - said the scale of the casualties could convince both Moscow and Kyiv of the need to negotiate over the coming winter months, when fighting may slow due to freezing conditions.

"You're looking at well over 100,000 Russian soldiers killed and wounded," Gen Milley said. "Same thing probably on the Ukrainian side."

Both Ukraine and Russia jealously guard their casualty numbers.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jan 4 2023 01:39pm

when is that quoted from? no realistic contrasting numbers for the civilian dead (40k).

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 4 2023 01:40pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63580372

November the 10th 2022



I was just doing a quick search as to where Djunior might have gotten the numbers.
And since it is an American Estimate, there might be truth to it. But we will never know.



This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jan 4 2023 01:41pm

last year. tut tut but seriously, this is a long time in the current conflict.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 4 2023 01:41pm

its not too faraway bud still less than 2 months back

yesterday i was not in work. today i was. yesterday was a long time ago ok.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 4 2023 01:43pm

Correct me if I am wrong, but logically speaking.

Take the amount of males that left just before the war
Take the amount of males that left in the first few months of war.

I heard that Ukraine is already mobilizing their male population between 50 up to 60 but not over 60.

Ukraine population around 41 Million.

If they are starting to mobilize male between 50 to 60 , it means they have heavily exhausted their male population between 18 all the way up to mid 40s.

So with civilian casualties and military deaths, standing at there about 100k is not a far off number.
I haven't include female military casualties.
But that is just a thought off my head at the moment.

I don't have the numbers.

But that will be around 0.3 to 0.5% of the population.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jan 4 2023 01:51pm

There are several sources out there but even Ursula von der Leyen stated that Ukraine has suffered 100K dead and that statement was immediately "corrected" (deleted) and that was a while back

Grief is a difficult cycle but you seem to be tackling denial and anger all at once. By this rate you'll be back in reality before Europe freezes to death, whenever that is.