Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 4 2023 07:01am)

Far more democratic than Russia or Belarus.

Quote (Thebarba @ Jan 4 2023 03:08pm)

None of them.are democratic. Are you being unironic here?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 4 2023 03:06pm)

I accept Russia has a right to its security, I do not accept NATO was a threat to Russian security before this invasion.
Saying that NATO was a threat to Russia is like saying Saddam had WMD's. Same false flag narrative.

This war if nothing else will increase NATO presence and potential flashpoints in Europe. And we have Vlad to thank for that.

It is more accurate to say Ukrainian democracy was a threat to Putin's authoritarian regime.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/one-more-time-its-not-about-nato/

Quote (Djunior @ Jan 4 2023 04:22pm)

Last year Russia put a new security framework on the table (security guarantees for both sides). This was before the war and offered a real opportunity to de-escalate.

That false flag narrative is bullshit because NATO continues to expand East, that's simply the reality. NATO is a military alliance, you know that right?

Quote (Meanwhile @ 4 Jan 2023 16:23)

Seems Saruman put his mark on you already

Quote (UmadLoL @ Jan 4 2023 03:59pm)

Dead sub forum with the same 6 people commenting every day simply because they are addicted to the attention (the people they claim to be opposed to) provide to them.
Every once in a while a worthy topic is posted, but most threads are for attention, just take a look. Mostly just shit posting garbage.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 4 2023 05:38pm)

Expansion does not = threat.

Prove otherwise.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 4 2023 05:38pm)

Expansion does not = threat.

Prove otherwise.

Quote (Impy @ 5 Jan 2023 02:22)

Sounds reasonable. I was kinda surprised to see this thread reaching almost 2k pages.

Some of us have a valid Realist non ideological opinion, that is why it reached 2k

By your logic russia isnt a threat to nato either, since russia didnt touch nato ground, they are "just expanding" :bonk:

:lol:

Quote (Djunior @ 5 Jan 2023 02:25)

Apparently you believe that NATO military =/= military

Ask the Russians, they'll tell you that NATO = military alliance

Simple as that

Quote (Impy @ Jan 4 2023 06:22pm)

Sounds reasonable. I was kinda surprised to see this thread reaching almost 2k pages.



By your logic russia isnt a threat to nato either, since russia didnt touch nato ground, they are "just expanding" :bonk:

Quote (Djunior @ Jan 4 2023 06:25pm)

Apparently you believe that NATO military =/= military

Ask the Russians, they'll tell you that NATO = military alliance

Simple as that

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 4 2023 07:28pm)

Your logic assumes that Russia and NATO are the same. They are not.
Certain users justify Putin's invasion because NATO expansion is a threat to Russia. Then prove it.

Claims that captured Russian troops have said they were told Russia was fighting against Poland, after Poland invaded Ukraine...
Disputable source, nonetheless incredible if true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyCB_Yyh-zY



Dodge, again.