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Jan 3 2023 06:35am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 3 2023 06:01am)
Just did a crude calculation based on what you said about ICBM and apparently they will reach 15,000 mph. Which equals about miles per second.
Pretty wild.


Yeah cruise missiles and ballistic ATACMS tend to be around mach 0.5-3.0, while an ICBM reentry is at about mach 20-25. And cruise missiles have a huge glow from their engines being on, ballistic missiles don't, and warheads can have extremely small cross sections and be surrounded by decoys.
So far in this conflict the apparent failure to actually intercept cruise missiles is demonstrating the weakness of conventional anti-air defenses. Plenty of wild claims by Ukraine to shoot down 93 out 112 missiles every time russia fires and connects with 19
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Jan 3 2023 06:45am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 3 Jan 2023 20:16)
Found an interesting article by the New York Times about the US meddling in the politics of other countries through the use of organizations like NED (National Endowment for Democracy)

https://web.archive.org/web/20161118042417/https:/www.nytimes.com/1997/03/31/us/political-meddling-by-outsiders-not-new-for-us.html

After reading about NED, it seems to be involved with a lot of controversial US foreign policy, including Ukraine. If you search it up there are a few outlets claiming NED has recently removed an 80 page document detailing its funding to Ukrainian organizations. Not sure if that's true or not but you can download the document and it certainly looks legit.


Ermmmm

they have been doing it in Hong Kong Since forever and 2014 was when they start to really put in the effort.
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Jan 3 2023 06:54am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 3 2023 12:35pm)
Yeah cruise missiles and ballistic ATACMS tend to be around mach 0.5-3.0, while an ICBM reentry is at about mach 20-25. And cruise missiles have a huge glow from their engines being on, ballistic missiles don't, and warheads can have extremely small cross sections and be surrounded by decoys.
So far in this conflict the apparent failure to actually intercept cruise missiles is demonstrating the weakness of conventional anti-air defenses. Plenty of wild claims by Ukraine to shoot down 93 out 112 missiles every time russia fires and connects with 19


I agree the claims to shoot down 95% missiles is inaccurate/propaganda.

I do believe they are able to intercept a larger percentage of the Iranian Kamikaze drones.
Which is obviously simpler.

I've seen it suggested that the US would have the capability to intercept ICBM strikes.
And that it probably isn't disclosed but could be understood in military circles, including that of adversarys.
Not my opinion only a view I have read.

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Jan 3 2023 06:55am
"Armed Forces of #Ukraine struck a large Russian base in #Makeevka in occupied #Donetsk, reporting that up to 400 Russian soldiers have been killed and another 300 injured.
Excellent use of Precision Guided Munitions, probably #HIMARS or #M270."

63 deads from Russians themselves ? So this means ALOT more, for sure an easy 3 digits.

" According to the Ministry of Defense, the missiles were fired by HIMARS systems, a weapon supplied by the United States to Ukrainian forces and which hit "a temporary deployment center" of the Russian army in Makiivka. The announcement of these heavy losses immediately provoked criticism of the Russian military command, accused in particular by the former separatist leader Igor Strelkov, very aware of the situation on the ground, of having stored ammunition in this unprotected building. ."


Location confirmed:

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1609666628991549444



By admitting the loss Russians are simply preparing their next [brilliant] plan: more sacrifices for Mother Putin.

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Jan 3 2023 01:55pm)
"Armed Forces of #Ukraine struck a large Russian base in #Makeevka in occupied #Donetsk, reporting that up to 400 Russian soldiers have been killed and another 300 injured.
Excellent use of Precision Guided Munitions, probably #HIMARS or #M270."

63 deads from Russians themselves ? So this means ALOT more, for sure an easy 3 digits.

" According to the Ministry of Defense, the missiles were fired by HIMARS systems, a weapon supplied by the United States to Ukrainian forces and which hit "a temporary deployment center" of the Russian army in Makiivka. The announcement of these heavy losses immediately provoked criticism of the Russian military command, accused in particular by the former separatist leader Igor Strelkov, very aware of the situation on the ground, of having stored ammunition in this unprotected building. ."


Location confirmed:

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1609666628991549444

https://i.ibb.co/djLkHk9/image.png

By admitting the loss Russians are simply preparing their next [brilliant] plan: more sacrifices for Mother Putin.



excellent use... dude whats wrong with you?

absolutely disgusting
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Jan 3 2023 07:10am
Quote (Bananii @ 3 Jan 2023 14:05)
excellent use... dude whats wrong with you?

absolutely disgusting


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What's wrong with you ?
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Jan 3 2023 07:58am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Jan 3 2023 08:45am)
Ermmmm

they have been doing it in Hong Kong Since forever and 2014 was when they start to really put in the effort.


I'm reading the PRCs perspective on NED and it's involvement in Hong Kong and they do not seem very fond of it lol

https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/zxxx_662805/202205/t20220507_10683090.html

The first line cracked me up "The United States has long used democracy as a tool and a weapon to undermine democracy in the name of democracy"



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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 3 Jan 2023 21:58)
I'm reading the PRCs perspective on NED and it's involvement in Hong Kong and they do not seem very fond of it lol

https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/zxxx_662805/202205/t20220507_10683090.html

The first line cracked me up "The United States has long used democracy as a tool and a weapon to undermine democracy in the name of democracy"


Actually American NGO have been in Hong Kong since the 70s. NED cam much later.
Part of the reason is

1. After world war 2 UK have lost Economical and Military Clout in the world. They couldn't maintain Hong Kong.
2. American corporate and companies have been in HK since the 70s. After Kissinger's secret meeting with Mao in China, relationships thawed and their work very closely hand in hand.
3. USA recognized that HK was the window to China and can be used to improve relationship and most importantly trade without being in China proper itself. And the common law system and English based British system suits the Americans.
4. USA have a lot of vested interest in Hong Kong , it is not surprising that NGOs like NED etc etc have been extremely active in HK. They have business and geo political , domestic politics interest in HK.

Before this whole Taiwan as American's first island Chain due to the resurgence of China. China / Taiwan / Japan / South Korea / Philippines is basically America's first line of defense against the Soviets in the Pacific and Nato is America's first line of defense in the Atlantic and Europe.
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Jan 3 2023 08:57am
That was a school :rolleyes:

Brainwashed idiots when Russia hits infrastructure used by Ukrainian soldiers: OMG animals, orcs, REEEEEEEEEE

When Ukraine hits school used by Russian soldiers: gg they deserved it
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Jan 3 2023 09:03am
Quote (Djunior @ 3 Jan 2023 22:57)
That was a school :rolleyes:

Brainwashed idiots when Russia hits infrastructure used by Ukrainian soldiers: OMG animals, orcs, REEEEEEEEEE

When Ukraine hits school used by Russian soldiers: gg they deserved it


Propaganda at it's finest. :lol:
i m pretty sure there are women and children in it. :baby:

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jan 3 2023 09:03am
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