Zelensky: We have information that Russia plans protracted drone campaign to "exhaust" Ukraine

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-726471

Hopefully these drones are so slow that some new weapons or modficications for a cheaper shooting could become available.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jan 2 2023 05:31pm

HIMAR strike on Russian barracks kills at least 63 Russian soldiers in Donetsk region

https://www.channel4.com/news/63-russian-soldiers-killed-by-himars-missile-strike-moscow-says

Moscow releases statement that 63 soldiers were killed. Ukraine is claiming the number is much higher.

Moscow has reason to play down the number, but Ukraine has no way to actually know at all. I think what we'll have to watch is if and how Russia responds

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I'm sure Ukraines had an idea of how many Russian troops were in that area.

The question is how did Russian commanders allow that occur in the first place?
A concentration of troops within range of HIMAR strike without adequate anti air defence. Major miltary blunder, and it cost at least 63 soldiers their lives.

HIMAR range is around 50 miles. Not hundreds of miles.

Imagine if you triple protected, obese snowflakes were talking the same way about Western countries when we invade others ...

this sudden love for a proxenetic country is beyond understanding. No sex slaves in Yemen or Somalia, got it chumps.

This post was edited by Melatonina on Jan 3 2023 03:08am

Russia has no more realistic ability to intercept HIMARs than Ukraine does to intercept Kalibrs. Expensive and unreliable interceptors that seem to have more confirmed 'overshoot and fall on a neighboring country' incidents than confirmed intercepts. Generally speaking, anything in missile range of each other is vulnerable and all of Ukraine is in Russia's missile range, its just the US provided arms that are giving Ukraine an ability to kill Russians in the Donbas and across the border into Russia now. Which of course puts us far closer to world war 3 than anything since and probably including the cuban missile crisis. So its definitely worth paying attention to if and how Russia chooses to respond, losing dozens, perhaps a hundred or more Russians in a single attack to US weaponry is not going to be easily forgotten. And if Russia starts accusing the west of having little green men of their own running around in Ukraine operating the missile batteries, well that would certainly bring into question why we declined to provide Patriots for that exact stated reason and then turned around and decided to provide Patriots after all.


This whole conflict is showing how truly impotent interceptors are at downing missiles, and to think there was a whole initiative trying to apply that to ICBMs in the descent phase when they're traveling miles per second on erratic paths with MIRVs and decoys and a cross section less than two feet

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jan 3 2023 05:42am

The Russians claimed to have shot down some of the HIMARS in the attack.
Not that it matters.

Also you can't compare the range of HIMARs and Kalibre missiles.
One is about 50 miles
The other is about 2500 miles

Having this concentration of troops within range of Ukraines HIMARs, which they know Ukraine have, is a massive oversight and failure by Russian commanders.

It's also possible that Ukraine chose not to attack such targets until now, and that was a surprise to the Russians; or they never had missiles in position to hit those targets until it happened.

Either way it's a huge blunder and it cost at least, and most likely more than 63 Russian soldiers the ultimate price.

We know that the Kremlin deems Russian soldiers to be expendable but there will most definitely be blowback from this incident domestically.


Just did a crude calculation based on what you said about ICBM and apparently they will reach 15,000 mph. Which equals about miles per second.
Pretty wild.

I bet they just laugh when civilians and civilian infrastructure are targeted by NATO or Western coalition in Iraq --> see vid this was an official briefing, notice how is presented to the world, everybody just laughs about it while civilians cross bridges that are blown up.

Found an interesting article by the New York Times about the US meddling in the politics of other countries through the use of organizations like NED (National Endowment for Democracy)

https://web.archive.org/web/20161118042417/https:/www.nytimes.com/1997/03/31/us/political-meddling-by-outsiders-not-new-for-us.html

After reading about NED, it seems to be involved with a lot of controversial US foreign policy, including Ukraine. If you search it up there are a few outlets claiming NED has recently removed an 80 page document detailing its funding to Ukrainian organizations. Not sure if that's true or not but you can download the document and it certainly looks legit.