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Jan 1 2020 11:20am
Quote (GLYC123 @ Jan 1 2020 09:08am)
Course all you can do is run when shown evidence. Good discussion. Peace.


thats the problem its exactly NOT evidence of anything besides you get spoon fed Fox bs.. No debating kool aide drinkers
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Jan 1 2020 11:23am
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I mean, triple of the same wall that wasn't working before isn't a big deterrent. Neither is patching portions of the wall, since that's standard procedure.

Additionally border crossings have been down pretty drastically since ~2008 and never went back up to their previous levels. What data are you using to form your opinion that Trump has been successful at curbing the migrant crisis?


The actual CBP apprehension numbers from their site. There was a dramatic spike in illegal immigration in late 2018 into 2019 which has since dramatically been reduced.

100,000+ apprehension numbers for a single month in the past. I mean think about it, we complain about the California homelessness crisis, which has over 140,000 homeless people. It's pretty substantial numbers.

Of course a Triple Wall is effective and there's a lot of new design wall, not old wall. Though some might just be repairs if a new wall isn't needed in that location. It makes it much more efficient for CBP to apprehended individuals that have crossed the first wall, and makes it much more difficult to escape back into Mexico (where they will just try again shortly after), or venture past CBP surveillance considering you now have them funnelled in a set location where they're limited where they can roam.

The main deterrent is policy changes, which prevents individuals from abusing loop holes such as using random children for access into the country. Also, stopping individuals from being released into the community while awaiting immigration court hearings.

More difficult entry is a deterrent. That wall, while not impossible to scale, is very difficult to achieve. A lot of individuals would be unable to scale it safely.

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Jan 1 2020 11:29am
Sorry cars and glue, I can agree that Trump experience is a political, a responsibility 'lesson' for the American people, but in anyway if you are expecting this to continue then it means,.. That you waiting for a bigger lesson :wacko:
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The actual CBP apprehension numbers from their site. There was a dramatic spike in illegal immigration in late 2018 into 2019 which has since dramatically been reduced.

Of course a Triple Wall is effective and there's a lot of new design wall, not old wall. Though some might just be repairs if a new wall isn't needed in that location. It makes it much more efficient for CBP to apprehended individuals that have crossed the first wall, and makes it much more difficult to escape back into Mexico (where they will just try again shortly after), or venture past CBP surveillance considering you now have them funnelled in a set location where they're limited where they can roam.

The main deterrent is policy changes, which prevents individuals from abusing loop holes such as using random children for access into the country. Also, stopping individuals from being released into the community while awaiting immigration court hearings.

More difficult entry is a deterrent. That wall, while not impossible to scale, is very difficult to achieve. A lot of individuals would be unable to scale it safely.


If we use the CBP apprehension numbers then you could maybe make an argument that Trump took a cut off the top, but they're not significantly lower than ~2011, or 2015 if we want to be generous, and the real crisis was solved between 2006 and 2011.



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The actual CBP apprehension numbers from their site. There was a dramatic spike in illegal immigration in late 2018 into 2019 which has since dramatically been reduced.

Of course a Triple Wall is effective and there's a lot of new design wall, not old wall. Though some might just be repairs if a new wall isn't needed in that location. It makes it much more efficient for CBP to apprehended individuals that have crossed the first wall, and makes it much more difficult to escape back into Mexico (where they will just try again shortly after), or venture past CBP surveillance considering you now have them funnelled in a set location where they're limited where they can roam.

The main deterrent is policy changes, which prevents individuals from abusing loop holes such as using random children for access into the country. Also, stopping individuals from being released into the community while awaiting immigration court hearings.

More difficult entry is a deterrent. That wall, while not impossible to scale, is very difficult to achieve. A lot of individuals would be unable to scale it safely.


They should just gather all the old razor wire on every military base in the US and hang it from one side of the border to another. Connect it to a local Texas electrical plant to run off of the base load and give them a huge voucher/hand out from the Fed govt for providing this national service. Electrified razorwire is pretty scary.

Between that and the zealots just running around out there keeping the Mexicans out we should be good.
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Jan 1 2020 11:55am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 1 2020 11:49am)
If we use the CBP apprehension numbers then you could maybe make an argument that Trump took a cut off the top, but they're not significantly lower than ~2011, or 2015 if we want to be generous, and the real crisis was solved between 2006 and 2011.

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/southwest-border-apprehensions-final.jpg


100,000+ apprehension numbers for a single month in the past and growing? I mean think about it, we complain about the California homelessness crisis, which has over 140,000 homeless people. It's pretty substantial numbers that should be addressed.

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They should just gather all the old razor wire on every military base in the US and hang it from one side of the border to another. Connect it to a local Texas electrical plant to run off of the base load and give them a huge voucher/hand out from the Fed govt for providing this national service. Electrified razorwire is pretty scary.

Between that and the zealots just running around out there keeping the Mexicans out we should be good.


Don't be an idiot. Not sure why individuals assume that people that are pro on living in a country based on law, means that they have some vendetta against Mexican people.

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100,000+ apprehension numbers for a single month in the past and growing? I mean think about it, we complain about the California homelessness crisis, which has over 140,000 homeless people. It's pretty substantial numbers that should be addressed.


Sure, but then you can't really say Trump has solved the migrant crisis since we are still having apprehension numbers similar to the end of Obama's first term.
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Jan 1 2020 12:05pm
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Sure, but then you can't really say Trump has solved the migrant crisis since we are still having apprehension numbers similar to the end of Obama's first term.


The numbers have substantially been reduced, I consider that a success and they're being reduced even further. Technology and policies that will be utilized for a long time to come, I consider that a win. I will be curious to see what data the newest reports do bring. All that despite a Congress that wouldn't even attempt to cooperate towards a common goal.

I'm a big fan of it. Versus, allowing a growing trend to continue, because what was occuring before, clearly wasn't working.

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Jan 1 2020 12:27pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 1 2020 10:01am)
Sure, but then you can't really say Trump has solved the migrant crisis since we are still having apprehension numbers similar to the end of Obama's first term.


Quote (GLYC123 @ Jan 1 2020 10:05am)
The numbers have substantially been reduced, I consider that a success and they're being reduced even further. Technology and policies that will be utilized for a long time to come, I consider that a win. I will be curious to see what data the newest reports do bring. All that despite a Congress that wouldn't even attempt to cooperate towards a common goal.

I'm a big fan of it. Versus, allowing a growing trend to continue, because what was occuring before, clearly wasn't working.


its actually impossible to apprehend people unless they have illegally crossed. So he may be catching more people but he is NOT stopping the crossings.
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