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Dec 27 2022 06:26pm
Quote (ownyaah @ Dec 27 2022 07:59pm)
Doesn't really make sense, there is nothing to gain for a ceasefire atm?

Seems strange to freeze the conflict with current Donetsk situation, don't see how the ceasefire would last.


Maybe if there was some sort of agreement to remove both armies from eastern Ukraine and bring in a neutral third party to act as peacekeepers? Kind of a long shot but maybe Russia would go for it just to end the conflict on semi agreeable terms.
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Dec 27 2022 06:30pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Dec 28 2022 03:26am)
Maybe if there was some sort of agreement to remove both armies from eastern Ukraine and bring in a neutral third party to act as peacekeepers? Kind of a long shot but maybe Russia would go for it just to end the conflict on semi agreeable terms.


Make a deal with who exactly?

Germany? Merkel openly bragging about conducting fake diplomacy
UK? Us puppet
US? The only situation US would want conflict to end would be if Ukraine is going to lose, in which case it is pointless to negotiate
Ukraine? You would just be giving them time to rearm with minsk 3 4 5 6 and all the way to minsk 951, or another istanbul accords. Ukranians have proved they are incapable of conducting diplomacy.
France? Same as Germany
Turkey? Lel

As long as Donetsk isn't resolved it would only lead to another war a year or two later. I would view it as Russian surrender if they made any "peace-deal" currently.

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Dec 27 2022 06:34pm
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Maybe if there was some sort of agreement to remove both armies from eastern Ukraine and bring in a neutral third party to act as peacekeepers? Kind of a long shot but maybe Russia would go for it just to end the conflict on semi agreeable terms.


Ok let me explain the situation in the East in my very weird analogy. I am not sure if you will get it.

If I am going to describe China / Taiwan in an American sense.

China is basically Republican and Taiwan is basically Democrats
China is similar to Texas / Florida , you have some MAGAS and some center right. Taiwan is basically Nancy Pelosi / Joe Biden left, in a way Taiwan is similar to SoCal, NorCal, California, beautiful surfer paradise etc etc
Macau is basically the Vegas of the East and Hong Kong is Wall Street New York , everything is about money and money only.

If I am going to describe China / Taiwan as rock Bands in a fight / conflict

If we look at the current Ukraine / Russia conflict , it is like having Metallica and AC/DC in a fierce fight.

If we look at Taiwan / China , it is similar to pitting Slayer against Justin Bieber and One Direction
So what the Americans want to do now is to train Taiwan to a level to maybe Nickelback so the Taiwanese will at least have a chance to 'fight' back.
And they need at least 5 to 8 years to get Taiwan to that level.

I am not sure if I make sense.......

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Dec 27 2022 08:20pm)
Actually no..
The opposition party in a way is similar to the current party.

Opposition is KMT and the Current party is DPP.

The KMT wants to keep the status quo. The DPP are outwardly showing they want independence but they don't exactly want war.
Both are not in favour of reuniting , although the KMT is looking towards a more non confrontational relationship with China.

I think we might be reaching a point where the US will use the Taiwan card sooner than later. But we will see.

If you want I can explain China and Taiwan in a very American sense.

And in regards to their military capability I can explain it in a very layman Rock Band kind of manner. :rofl:


Ah ok, thank you for explaining, I definitely need to do some more reading on Asian politics.

And sure, that would be great, much rather hear about it from someone living there than a random internet article haha
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Dec 27 2022 06:36pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 28 Dec 2022 08:35)
Ah ok, thank you for explaining, I definitely need to do some more reading on Asian politics.

And sure, that would be great, much rather hear about it from someone living there than a random internet article haha


Read my new reply.
It is kinda silly analogy so I hope you don't mind.
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Dec 27 2022 06:39pm
Quote (ownyaah @ Dec 27 2022 08:30pm)
Make a deal with who exactly?

Germany? Merkel openly bragging about conducting fake diplomacy
UK? Us puppet
US? The only situation US would want conflict to end would be if Ukraine is going to lose, in which case it is pointless to negotiate
Ukraine? You would just be giving them time to rearm with minsk 3 4 5 6 and all the way to minsk 951, or another istanbul accords. Ukranians have proved they are incapable of conducting diplomacy.
France? Same as Germany
Turkey? Lel

As long as Donetsk isn't resolved it would only lead to another war a year or two later. I would view it as Russian surrender if they made any "peace-deal" currently.


Yeah hard to argue with any of that, just wishful thinking I suppose. What a shit show.

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Dec 27 2022 06:51pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Dec 27 2022 08:34pm)
Ok let me explain the situation in the East in my very weird analogy. I am not sure if you will get it.

If I am going to describe China / Taiwan in an American sense.

China is basically Republican and Taiwan is basically Democrats
China is more similar to Texas / Florida , you have some MAGAS and some center right. Taiwan is basically Nancy Pelosi / Joe Biden left, in a way Taiwan is similar to SoCal, NorCal, California, beautiful surfer paradise etc etc
Macau is basically the Vegas of the East and Hong Kong is Wall Street New York , everything is about money and money only.

If I am going to describe China / Taiwan as rock Bands in a fight / conflict

If we look at the current Ukraine / Russia conflict , it is like having Metallica and AC/DC in a fierce fight.

If we look at Taiwan / China , it is similar to pitting Slayer against Justin Bieber and One Direction
So what the Americans want to do now is to train Taiwan to a level to maybe Nickelback so the Taiwanese will at least have a chance to 'fight' back.
And they need at least 5 to 8 years to get Taiwan to that level.

I am not sure if I make sense.......


Lmao that was a great description, almost spit my drink out reading the "nickelback" bit :rofl:

Canada just announced it's Asia policy on containing China so I bet Xi is probably gonna give up on Taiwan now (lol)
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Dec 27 2022 06:53pm
"Peace deal" even sounds weird in Russian. Something like "was telling bullshit".
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Dec 27 2022 06:57pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 28 Dec 2022 08:51)
Lmao that was a great description, almost spit my drink out reading the "nickelback" bit :rofl:

Canada just announced it's Asia policy on containing China so I bet Xi is probably gonna give up on Taiwan now (lol)


Canada have Nickelback and Celine Dion. They are powerful. :lol:

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Dec 27 2022 06:58pm
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Dec 27 2022 08:57pm)
Canada have Nickelback. They are powerful. :lol:


Our prime Minister got embarrassed by Xi on TV and announced our east Asia strategy like a week later lmao


Justin Bieber is ours too! We are a world power and demand respect!

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Dec 27 2022 07:00pm
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