Prox1m1ty: NATO nukes right at your border shouldn't be a concern for anyone you dumb Russians!

Although you have made it clear how absorbed you are in Putins false narrative;
If you actually think NATO would station nukes in Ukraine, you have literally lost your fucking mind.

NATO could have nukes in Warsaw today if it wanted, it does not.
It already has a trident sub in the Baltic or Norwegian sea.

The US helped facilitate the REMOVAL of nuclear weapons from Ukraine. Imagine that.

"NATO expansion" after the Soviet collapse actually led to de-militarization of EU countries and a reduction of US troops in Europe.

These securuty claims are laughable. This is a landgrab. Meanwhile Putin takes every opportunity to remind us of Russias nuclear capability.

When you play stupid games you win stupid prizes, Putin can look forward to warheads in Helsinki.

They face an encroachment on their sphere of influence to the point of encirclement. If Russia seized all our Pacific territories one by one and then overthrew the Canadian and Mexican governments to take control, would the Russians be making rhetorical arguments like 'the threat posed to the US is just a white rabbit'?

Russia could never possibly match the amount of foreign intervention America has done in the post war era. After the USSR collapsed they let their sphere diminish and didn't try to stop Albright's NATO advance when it occurred peacefully and without harm to Russia or its people. But a violent color revolution in their back yard? Their historic bread basket? Laying siege to ethnic Russians for 8 years? At least if nothing else, this war was predictable

What harm to Russia? Their could be a million Russian speakers in the US, should Putin invade Alaska as their divine protector?

We should be honest about the justification of this invasion. It is not about security. It is a landgrab. We can stop accusing NATO or the US of hypocrisy using these examples of regime change in Libya or Iraq.
Putin is doing exactly the same thing. And not for the first time.

"Their historic bread basket" Now we are getting closer to the actual motivations for Putin's war.


Actually I can agree with you that this war was predictable. It has always been the Russian leaderships goal to expand its sphere of influence not just in Ukraine. But in central Asia and the Caucasus.
Putin has publicly said Ukrainians don't exist.

It is inevitable that countries in the former soviet sphere of influence would seek to shift westwards and even look to join NATO.
The USSR was an oppressive failure. Why would any nation seek to align itself with the new Stalin?

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Dec 23 2022 04:31am

By NATO.

When the Orange Revolution of 2004 occurred in Ukraine, it was peaceful and didn't harm or threaten any ethnic Russians in Ukraine. But it caused Russian control and influence over the country to slip. So what was their reaction? They literally tried to assassinate Viktor Yushchenko, the presidential candidate and leader of the pro-Western side...

Russia's inaction in the face of the early phase of NATO expansion (to Poland, the Baltics and Romania) was most definitely a result of their weakness during the 90s and early 2000s, rather than a sign for their supposed benevolence and indulgence. Even during the 90s, Putin made repeated statements about how he considers the dissolution of the Soviet Union to be "the biggest political catastrophe of the 20th century". Not the second world war and the 15 million dead Russians it caused, not the cold war, not the first world war, no, the loss of key parts of Russia's empire, that is what Putin considered the biggest catastrophe. From Putin's own, public statements, we can quite clearly conclude that he was seething at the eastward expansion of NATO and the EU, but he wasn't in a position to do something about it. As soon as Russia had recovered economically and politically (as a result of the oil boom of the mid-2000s), he started fighting tooth and nail against it. (See, e.g., the Russo-Georgian war of 2008.)




How exactly is Russia encircled when 3400 kilometers of its 22400 kilometers of international land borders are with EU states?

Russia invading Ukraine = a landgrab by NATO

We've gone full retard boys, hold onto your nuclear missiles.

The annexation of Ukrainian land is a land grab by Russia. This should be accepted.

At the same time:

The success of the clandestine operations carried out by the US to make Ukraine switch sides (accepting that in areas of ukraine this would not be hard) was the ultimate cause of the war.

I think is referring the switching sides as a "landgrab". not a precise account of the situation. its better to state that the US flipped a chess piece from Black to White, or destabilised the region ergo here we are.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 23 2022 05:00am

I would disagree. I believe Putin had every intention of absorbing Ukraine into the Russian federation, well before any US clandestine operation.

but he didnt.