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Mar 15 2022 06:03pm
Quote (dro94 @ 16 Mar 2022 00:55)
Yes, I think France, UK and maybe Italy would be able to successfully defend itself with no outside assistance. Britain is an island with a very good navy and air force, so the perfect place for defensive operations. France has the strongest military in Europe on paper


don't know enough about italian armed forces, and i'd be genuinely surprised if they were even remotely as competent as the frenchies or the brits currently, but it might just be history clouding my judgement on this. pretty sure they wouldn't want to mess with the finns either, lol.

anyway, my main point here is that it's largely academic thanks to alliances, and that's a good thing imo.
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Mar 15 2022 06:20pm
Quote (fender @ Mar 15 2022 02:47pm)
stop spamming, war apologist.

regional security could have been achieved with de-escalation, normalisation, and trade. no one in their right mind would attack russia, and pootin knows that. the nation with the most nukes on this planet is 100% safe from military attacks by NATO members. so you'll have to come up with something better to support your claim that russia HAD to go to war, because that talking point is comprehensively debunked.

you know what causes the exact opposite of "regional security"? starting a war. so please, try again, or finally admit that your silly narrative that war was "inevitable" is bullshit.


Jeeze why so angry?
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Mar 15 2022 06:24pm
imagine witnessing the heroic defence ukrainians are putting up against an overwhelming military force to preserve their freedom, and still acting like the countless times debunked narrative of an external "coup" by western forces against a country that secretly wants to be ruled by a russian puppet like yanukovych holds any merit. how desperate, how dumb... ampootin just can't stop spreading russian propaganda, lol...
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Mar 15 2022 06:46pm
Quote (HeLiCaL @ Mar 15 2022 03:57pm)
seems like lefty trashes are Against gun control now?



Seems like youre a spread of communism supporter. All R before you roll in their graves and hate your soft cowardice
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Mar 15 2022 06:59pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Mar 16 2022 02:46am)
Seems like youre a spread of communism supporter. All R before you roll in their graves and hate your soft cowardice


Poutine fearlessly attacked UA under biden

braindead-biden / Russia collusion = Confirmed !

all braindead biden voters must be jailed for making possible this armed insurrection in Ukraine
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Mar 15 2022 07:09pm
Quote (HeLiCaL @ Mar 15 2022 05:59pm)
Poutine fearlessly attacked UA under biden

braindead-biden / Russia collusion = Confirmed !

all braindead biden voters must be jailed for making possible this armed insurrection in Ukraine



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Mar 15 2022 07:43pm
https://twitter.com/al_bonnel/status/1500113246392659971?t=KR8ii_JAtsCsznIyZW_elg&s=19

dont take it from me, take it from the former president poroshenko on how they wanted to force eastern ukranians into submission after the coup, they ended up killing thousands

must also be a putin propaganda shill i guess :rofl:
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Mar 15 2022 07:52pm
Quote (ferdia @ 15 Mar 2022 22:43)
this is your view. you are entitled to your own view but its not one i agree with. if putin was hellbent on same, he would have done it years ago, not in his twilight.

The circumstances were not right previously, but are much more favorable right now. To elaborate:

- Russia's state finances depend heavily on the oil prices, which were rather low from 2014 through 2021.
- The current gigh prices mean Russia has more financial breathing room to conduct a military operation.
- High demand and low supply on the global markets meant he had more leverage.
- A fossil-unfriendly president in the White House also meant that the American fracking industry wouldn't be able to jump in and alleviate the pressure as easily.
- The new US president having a broken or even non-existent relationship with Saudi leadership also meant that there was less of a chance that the Saudis, or OPEC as a whole, would increase production to counteract the soaring commodity prices.
- Two years of sacrifice and an inflation which had already been picking up pace due to the post-pandemic recovery has really disgruntled consumers/voters in the West, increasing the likelihood that they will ultimately not be willing to make further sacrifices for economic sanctions against Russia.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 15 2022 08:11pm
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Quote (dro94 @ 16 Mar 2022 00:06)
To be fair to pro-gun people, Ukraine being attacked lends credence to the idea that citizens should have guns or at least be trained on how to use them. If Russia invaded most other European countries, including the likes of Germany, they'd have this wrapped up by now (not factoring in NATO alliance, just country vs country combat power)

I think it makes sense to train people to shoot and then if attacked have local TDF or government hand out the weaponry, like the Ukrainians did. But that assumes the country has an external enemy

Countries like Poland, Germany, France and such have a much more well-equipped military than Ukraine. Even just on a country vs country basis, I doubt that Russia could successfully invade them. Particularly once we factor in that these places are much further away from Russia than Ukraine, so that the logistics become a real headache. If Russia is barely able to beat a country like Ukraine into submission, and barely able to sustain its supply lines some 100km outside of its own territory, I see no way they could win a (conventional) war in Poland or Germany against cutting edge Western military technology.

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Mar 15 2022 08:15pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 16 Mar 2022 01:01)
lets totally forget how the glorious ukranian army bombed their own people first, when they didnt agree with the maidan coup

nice attempt to rewrite history


Do you have any sources on the Ukrainian army bombing their own people... as in... civilians? Fighting against armed separatists obviously cannot be held against the Ukrainian government.
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