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Dec 15 2022 03:28pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 16 2022 12:27am)
lol i wasnt asking IF we did it, i was asking WHEN we did it.



correct, so my point was when you do it as a main strategy it doesnt signal weakness. when you dont do it for a year, then start doing it, that change in strategy signals weakness.

and it didnt work out for us as taxpayers, it worked out for Haliburton, but not us. it was incredibly costly.


You did it:

1950-2023

There you go.

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Dec 15 2022 03:29pm
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You did it:

1950-2023

There you go.


again you seem confused. im well aware we did it, i was asking at which phase in the war was it done, and making the point u can see quoted above.
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Quote (ownyaah @ Dec 15 2022 04:13pm)
Poland is pushing it.

Baltics is the only thing that is possible in any shape or form, where there is actual desire. Especially considering their significant Russian-populations.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_diaspora#Statistics

The Baltics are pushing it. The Baltic sea is a NATO lake at this point, does anyone believe that Russia could successfully occupy all three Baltic states? Poland is completely out of the question.

Kazakhstan probably has the most to lose, which makes sense considering how they've reacted to the Ukraine fiasco.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 16 2022 12:29am)
again you seem confused. im well aware we did it, i was asking at which phase in the war was it done, and making the point u can see quoted above.


It was done at every stage of the war until submission.

If an enemy arose, then it would be repeated.

By the way, I don't think there is anything wrong with attacking infrastructure.

I just don't like the bullshitery and hp


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Quote (ownyaah @ 16 Dec 2022 05:28)
You did it:

1950-2023

There you go.


don't answer you will have a cathy newman response.

:lol:

Alright guys lets take some jokes.
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Quote (bogie160 @ Dec 16 2022 12:30am)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_diaspora#Statistics

The Baltics are pushing it. The Baltic sea is a NATO lake at this point, does anyone believe that Russia could successfully occupy all three Baltic states? Poland is completely out of the question.

Kazakhstan probably has the most to lose, which makes sense considering how they've reacted to the Ukraine fiasco.


Baltics are tiny, tiny, tiny nations, in the events of a real adversary they would be considered 4th tier and ignored for the most part (by nato itself, they would only do the minimal required). No country gonna sacrifice millions for estonia that has a total of 1million people.

Why would baltics be a possibility?
1. Location, proximity and strategic
2. historical context
3. Large Russian populations
4. Tiny and easily subdued

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Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 15 2022 04:27pm)
correct, so my point was when you do it as a main strategy it doesnt signal weakness. when you dont do it for a year, then start doing it, that change in strategy signals weakness.

and it didnt work out for us as taxpayers, it worked out for Haliburton, but not us. it was incredibly costly.


Idk if I would frame it that way. To me this is Russia's way of adjusting to reality on the ground. They see Ukraine getting tons of weapons and funding from the west for an all out war so they adjusted their tactics and escalated. That's how war works, and there are many dimensions and pressure points and escalations right. I mean look at what we did to Dresden in WW2 or the nukes on Japan. I don't think framing an escalation as weakness is accurate.

If Ukrainians cities are without electricity or water, it might force more people into Europe, putting more pressure on the EU, etc. And it's not like the armed forces of Ukraine don't use water or electricity or whatever so to somehow say it doesn't impact the war is silly, it has at the very least tangential effect if not direct impact on the front lines.

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Dec 16 2022 12:31am)
don't answer you will have a cathy newman response.

:lol:

Alright guys lets take some jokes.


There was a joke in the comment by the way, it says 2023 ;) Considering I hate speculation about future events
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Quote (ownyaah @ 16 Dec 2022 05:37)
There was a joke in the comment by the way, it says 2023 ;) Considering I hate speculation about future events


anyways if we are still on Pard at 2029. there will be a new topic.

China / Taiwan

And I will suggest to start the topic.
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Dec 15 2022 03:39pm
Quote (ownyaah @ Dec 15 2022 04:34pm)
Baltics are tiny, tiny, tiny nations, in the events of a real adversary they would be considered 4th tier and ignored for the most part (by nato itself, they would only do the minimal required). No country gonna sacrifice millions for estonia that has a total of 1million people.

Why would baltics be a possibility?
1. Location, proximity and strategic
2. historical context
3. Large Russian populations
4. Tiny and easily subdued


Size isn't very relevant here. They belong to NATO, and they would invoke article 5. If NATO were to ignore the occupation of the Baltics, NATO effectively ceases to exist. That might be the fantasy of some Russian internet planners, but it's not something that NATO is going to countenance.
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