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Quote (ofthevoid @ 15 Dec 2022 22:05)
Yes if they keep the Donbass and Ukraine doesn't join NATO then that's a win for them. I mean if you've paid attention that's what their ask was over the summer for peace to happen.

And yeah NATO I think is better off as a result of this war, problem is it's better off with a nasty side-effect for Europe and the west in general. Assuming you're from the UK, have you checked prices on everything recently? You understand how important Russian energy was to the EU right? You think the average person is now better off because NATO is stronger or do you think they care more about having to pay way more for gas, food, utilities, etc.


Russia taking over near Europe & free world is a larger threat. And no way they would have stop here.
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Dec 16 2022 12:06am)
Russia taking over near Europe & free world is a larger threat. And no way they would have stop here.


You have to make a choice at some point. I understand critical thinking isn't your strong point but:

1. Russia is weak, has a trash army and corrupt
2. Russia will conquer Europe, Africa and all of the planets in the solar system

These 2 opinions are not compatible.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Dec 15 2022 03:09pm
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Russia taking over near Europe & free world is a larger threat. And no way they would have stop here.


? where are you reading that Russia plans on invading anyone after Ukraine? Russia has no aspirations of invading europe, or do you disagree with this statement ? As difficult as this might be to understand, Russia is in fact trying to defend itself. i am not agreeing with the invasion or suggesting they did not invade Ukraine, I am saying they have no plans to invade Finland or Poland, nevermind Germany and France. My god we are going back over old ground here. How in the world are you still suggesting its Ukraine today the rest of Europe tomorrow?? Thats so far removed from reality, Russia DOES NOT have the ABILITY to do that.

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? where are you reading that Russia plans on invading anyone after Ukraine? Russia has no aspirations of invading europe, or do you disagree with this statement ?


He thinks:

1. Russia is weak, has a trash army and corrupt.
2. Russia will conquer Europe, Africa and all of the planets in the solar system
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He thinks:

1. Russia is weak, has a trash army and corrupt.
2. Russia will conquer Europe, Africa and all of the planets in the solar system


how many planets are there?
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 15 2022 09:05pm)
Yes if they keep the Donbass and Ukraine doesn't join NATO then that's a win for them. I mean if you've paid attention that's what their ask was over the summer for peace to happen.

And yeah NATO I think is better off as a result of this war, problem is it's better off with a nasty side-effect for Europe and the west in general. Assuming you're from the UK, have you checked prices on everything recently? You understand how important Russian energy was to the EU right? You think the average person is now better off because NATO is stronger or do you think they care more about having to pay way more for gas, food, utilities, etc.


The UK's reliance on Russian gas was negligible compared to Germany or Italy. Brexit and Covid are much bigger factors on the UK's inflation. Europeans have been living beyond their means for decades, an inflationary reality was always going to happen.
Your point is also a double edged sword, the EU was Russia's main customer and source of revenue. 40% of Russia's GDP is from sale of hydrocarbons.

If you actually believe this invasion was about securing peace on Putin's terms, I don't know what else to tell you.

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how many planets are there?


I am not astrophysicist, but even I know conquering Venus(800celsius) would be difficult
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? where are you reading that Russia plans on invading anyone after Ukraine? Russia has no aspirations of invading europe, or do you disagree with this statement ?


It's fear mongering to continue the war. No serious person believes Russia intends or ever intended to invade all of Europe. What a real threat would be is them domineering their immediate neighbors i.e the baltic states, maybe Poland, Ukraine, etc, but to seriously think they had intentions to go on beyond that...is lol worthy
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Quote (ferdia @ Dec 15 2022 09:08pm)
? where are you reading that Russia plans on invading anyone after Ukraine? Russia has no aspirations of invading europe, or do you disagree with this statement ? As difficult as this might be to understand, Russia is in fact trying to defend itself. i am not agreeing with the invasion or suggesting they did not invade Ukraine, I am saying they have no plans to invade Finland or Poland, nevermind Germany and France.


Absolute nonsense.

As if anyone believes NATO would invade Russia if Ukraine joined the alliance. Pathetic nonsense.

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It's fear mongering to continue the war. No serious person believes Russia intends or ever intended to invade all of Europe. What a real threat would be is them domineering their immediate neighbors i.e the baltic states, maybe Poland, Ukraine, etc, but to seriously think they had intentions to go on beyond that...is lol worthy


The Polish would shit on the Russian army.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Dec 15 2022 03:13pm
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 16 2022 12:12am)
It's fear mongering to continue the war. No serious person believes Russia intends or ever intended to invade all of Europe. What a real threat would be is them domineering their immediate neighbors i.e the baltic states, maybe Poland, Ukraine, etc, but to seriously think they had intentions to go on beyond that...is lol worthy


Poland is pushing it.

Baltics is the only thing that is possible in any shape or form, where there is actual desire. Especially considering their significant Russian-populations.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Dec 15 2022 03:13pm
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