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Dec 27 2019 05:34pm
Quote (proccy @ Dec 27 2019 05:32pm)
oh you're speaking in code

my bad

i still don't think they are direct political opponents though :P


many people with a highschool education think 4 syllable words are code.

but under your made up definition i'd agree, they aren't direct political opponents, neither are they not direct political opponents.

strange tho, this started with "political opponents" and is now on "direct political opponents". weird how those goalposts just shift of their own accord sometimes.

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Dec 27 2019 05:35pm
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many people with a highschool education think 4 syllable words are code.

but under your made up definition i'd agree, they aren't direct political opponents, neither are they not direct political opponents.

strange tho, this started with "political opponents" and is now on "direct political opponents". weird how those goalposts just shift of their own accord sometimes.


i said, under the shroud of presidential impeachment, the definition of political opponent should be held high

apparently you disagree, and think he should be impeached for rage tweeting rosie
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Dec 27 2019 05:37pm
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i said, under the shroud of presidential impeachment, the definition of political opponent should be held high

apparently you disagree, and think he should be impeached for rage tweeting rosie


Dude, Biden meets all but the most ridiculously strict definitions of political opponent
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Dude, Biden meets all but the most ridiculously strict definitions of political opponent


Indeed.
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Dec 27 2019 05:39pm
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Is he doing it in revenge for the past or to slow down a 2020 threat is an assanine question. Both are abuses of power.

Glad you agree he doesnt care about corruption though. Good to find common ground.


Not really. Pressuring a government to investigate past crimes is not an abuse of power. Doing so to defame an opponent in an upcoming election is. The primary motive is important.

To be clear this is if he didn't use the aid.
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Dec 27 2019 06:01pm
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Not really. Pressuring a government to investigate past crimes is not an abuse of power. Doing so to defame an opponent in an upcoming election is. The primary motive is important.

To be clear this is if he didn't use the aid.


Except it's blatantly obvious that Trump doesn't care about corruption. You have to bury your head in the sand to think otherwise lol
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Dec 27 2019 06:17pm
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i said, under the shroud of presidential impeachment, the definition of political opponent should be held high

apparently you disagree, and think he should be impeached for rage tweeting rosie


But u have yet to explain why its important to impeachment that we use such a strict definition. Or why someone must fit that strict definition to qualify for an impeachable offense.
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Dec 27 2019 06:24pm
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Indeed.


Do you know what ridiculous means?
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Dec 27 2019 06:26pm
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when the outcome of a situation is unknowable both outcomes can be assumed until the situation becomes knowable.

such as, is Biden Trump's opponent? since we dont know what the primary will bring but either outcome can happen he both is and isn't. but he definitely isn't one outright.

note: this is using the definition for "opponent" you laid out, not Webster's.



i agree, technicalities are useful for eluding potential crimes.


The problem is, people use this as a claim for Trump having Ukraine investigate Biden, and that's all they say.

Which the problem is, they're ignoring that the full story is he's really asking Ukraine to investigate Burizma, and the ties of that to the Bidens.

There is a difference in that.

Is there a political benefit to that? Sure. But you can argue that there's a political benefit to many things, most things a President does has political benefit when it nets a positive action for the country.

In this case, you can also say that there is enough evidence to point at exposing possible corruption with the Bidens in my opinion.

I think it's legitimate, even if Trump's main goal was political benefit from it. It's a double whammy, you would have to say that there is no other benefit than political benefit for Trump, which isn't true if there's evidence of exposing possible corruption taking place here with Burizma/Bidens.

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But u have yet to explain why its important to impeachment that we use such a strict definition. Or why someone must fit that strict definition to qualify for an impeachable offense.


i thought it was self-evident, but i'm not going to spoon feed you at your whim lol
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