Did Ukraine win yet? I mean they should've because of massive Western aid / intelligence right.

Was it perhaps a bad idea after all to try to pull Ukraine into EU / NATO and to "destroy Russia" hmm?

She talks in the context of Georgia/Ukraine joining NATO and the consequences of Russian decisions in the event of that happening.

https://www.zeit.de/2022/51/angela-merkel-russland-fluechtlingskrise-bundeskanzler/komplettansicht?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

This post was edited by ownyaah on Dec 10 2022 06:46am

War is still ongoing, I don't like the idea of drawing conclusions too early

That's right. I didn't say anyone won. I'm saying this whole thing was a very very bad idea.

Still think that remains to be seen, all cards are far from being played.

The events of Ukraine will affect things 10-20+ years into the future.

Lemme give an example, it is like judging the Iraqi war in 2003 or 2004, or Vietnam in 1956. Silly.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Dec 10 2022 06:50am

I cant find her interview, i read 2 others but nothing that did anything more then touch on it.

i linked you the article and the quote, interview was published in german

This post was edited by ownyaah on Dec 10 2022 06:52am

You cannot compare those. There was nothing there that Russia called an existential threat (Ukraine being taken over by NATO is what they call an existential threat)

This conflict is like a powder keg. We're talking about an insanely large country that possesses 6K nukes and a bunch of imbeciles think they're going to "destroy" it with a bunch of sanctions and a bunch of Ukrainians that must do the fighting.

This post was edited by Djunior on Dec 10 2022 07:01am

It's also a decoy infrastructure ran by empty heads

This post was edited by Norlander on Dec 10 2022 07:24am

What's your stance btw?

Do you think Ukraine should be neutral or EU / NATO member. Or a peace deal where Ukraine loses the annexed territories and stays neutral perhaps.