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#1811
Jun 7 2020 01:08am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 7 2020 03:02am)
He's an adult male with no visually identifiable disabilities who walked up to them waving his camera around, its not like he's some infirm geriatric in a wheelchair.
Is there some magical cutoff age where you're allowed to riot with no consequence and police are unable to treat you the same as everyone else even if you act exactly the same as everyone else?
If a 110 lb 12 year old boy threw a brick at the police and they shot a pepper ball at him, would that be police brutality?

As I said, if police really wanted to tailor their enforcement to protect vulnerable people they should just start arresting any underage or overage or otherwise disabled people while pushing back the rest. Old guy would be better off if they had grabbed him and pulled him behind the police line and zip tied his hands and charged him with multiple crimes. Because there's plenty of people out on the streets during these riots who really shouldn't be there


Riot? Lel. More like protest. Hundreds of vids showing its police attacking. Dont support that shit, unless ur fascist. Everybodys allowed to protest, not just folks who can take a punch or teargas. At least in a democracy, maybe your chinese?

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#1812
Jun 7 2020 01:08am
You know what you get when you turn the police force of this country into pasty soyboy political correct idiots? You get MS-13 or similar, running the country.




Yeah, this is just a song...but watch the video and THINK. What the town was like before and after Al Capone was... removed.
Think what those people had to live like. Think of the fear. Folks best thank their god they HAVE the police...










/e The ONLY thing that keeps the Al Capones of the world from taking over... is the police. In my book, they deserve a LOT of respect.


When you job is dealing with the occasional Al Capones, you have to operate on a different level. Civilians need to be aware of that and act accordingly.
My parents were 22 yrs old when the police got rid of Al Capone. I bet folks today are glad THEY weren't bitching and moaning and protesting cause occasionally... shit happens. :/



The bad guys of the world, don't get any nicer just because the civilized people do. And, I have my doubts about the civilized people too.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jun 7 2020 01:26am
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Jun 7 2020 01:11am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 7 2020 02:07am)
No, rioters are combative, 75 year old men walking up and asking a question are not.
There is ZERO excuse for shoving old people over, and this is a result of shitty training.


People blocking streets during a curfew and pandemic after refusing to disperse and standing in ranks with those throwing rocks, bottles and fireworks are rioters.
The police need to be able to clear streets so they can restore order, disperse rioters and provide access for firefighters and first responders to put out blazes, stop looters and rescue those being attacked by the rioters.
When the rioters in the front try to block the police and disrupt their lines, the police have a legal, reasonable and ethical obligation to use force to rebuff them.
If the police were to simply stand down and decline to use any force to stop the rioters, they would burn down the city and get away with more looting, arson, rapes and murders like we saw in Minneapolis.
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Jun 7 2020 02:46am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 7 2020 05:11pm)
People blocking streets during a curfew and pandemic after refusing to disperse and standing in ranks with those throwing rocks, bottles and fireworks are rioters.
The police need to be able to clear streets so they can restore order, disperse rioters and provide access for firefighters and first responders to put out blazes, stop looters and rescue those being attacked by the rioters.
When the rioters in the front try to block the police and disrupt their lines, the police have a legal, reasonable and ethical obligation to use force to rebuff them.
If the police were to simply stand down and decline to use any force to stop the rioters, they would burn down the city and get away with more looting, arson, rapes and murders like we saw in Minneapolis.


Did we watch the same video?
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#1815
Jun 7 2020 08:11am
It's somewhat bizarre to me that other nations are protesting as well... the level of globalization of American politics seems like it could be unhealthy. We're all watching the same reality show I suppose.
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Jun 7 2020 08:17am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 7 2020 04:11pm)
It's somewhat bizarre to me that other nations are protesting as well... the level of globalization of American politics seems like it could be unhealthy. We're all watching the same reality show I suppose.


We have had a police brutality incident in some way in recent years, which did cause minor unrest in The Hague. Plus the focus was mostly on the racism experienced by black people here, IE things like Black Pete and other ways that racism still happens in our country (non-Dutch sounding names will get way less response on their job applications, etc).

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2017/12/mitch-henriquez-case-police-officers-get-six-months-suspended-jail-terms-for-assault/

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Jun 7 2020 08:17am
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 7 2020 02:49am)
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If you didn't care about these white deaths by police at the time, why are you pretending to now in a lame attempt to discredit the protests? Some self-reflection is needed from people whose abundant reaction to Floyd's death and the protests is to find a way to discredit them. You're essentially today's version of the majority of whites who disagreed with the black Civil Rights movement of the 60's.

Obviously the black community has a different history and current day experience in this country which makes them feel differently from white people about these issues.
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#1818
Jun 7 2020 08:18am
Quote (balrog66 @ Jun 7 2020 10:17am)
We have had a police brutality incident in some way in recent years, which did cause minor unrest in The Hague. Plus the focus was mostly on the racism experienced by black people here, IE things like Black Pete and other ways that racism still happens in our country (non-Dutch sounding names will get way less response on their job applications, etc).

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2017/12/mitch-henriquez-case-police-officers-get-six-months-suspended-jail-terms-for-assault/


Gotcha. I was wondering how much it was influenced by similar problems in those countries.
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#1819
Jun 7 2020 09:06am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 7 2020 02:02am)
He's an adult male with no visually identifiable disabilities who walked up to them waving his camera around, its not like he's some infirm geriatric in a wheelchair.
Is there some magical cutoff age where you're allowed to riot with no consequence and police are unable to treat you the same as everyone else even if you act exactly the same as everyone else?
If a 110 lb 12 year old boy threw a brick at the police and they shot a pepper ball at him, would that be police brutality?

As I said, if police really wanted to tailor their enforcement to protect vulnerable people they should just start arresting any underage or overage or otherwise disabled people while pushing back the rest. Old guy would be better off if they had grabbed him and pulled him behind the police line and zip tied his hands and charged him with multiple crimes. Because there's plenty of people out on the streets during these riots who really shouldn't be there


Why was he left on the ground as they regiment walked by? Even with maritime law, you would circle back and pickup enemy sailors after sinking their ship. My wife said he was going to return a helmet to the police.
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#1820
Jun 7 2020 09:07am
Quote (RedFromWinter @ Jun 7 2020 10:06am)
Why was he left on the ground as they regiment walked by? Even with maritime law, you would circle back and pickup enemy sailors after sinking their ship. My wife said he was going to return a helmet to the police.


I'm not concerned about that part. Clearly he was identified as injured and the third cop that walked up was calling for assostamce to help him.
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