whataboutism:

The act or practice of responding to an accusation of wrongdoing by claiming that an offense committed by another is similar or worse.

False equivalence;

Informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.
Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges."

Posting shit about one side while the other side is doing the exact same thing and doing that for years.

Gets confronted with that and crushed because it's on topic and shows (again) Ukrainian far right ultra nationalist neo-nazi groups.

Resorts to calling it whataboutism. Lol people like this are genuinely clueless.

the expressions whataboutism and false equivalance are ways of sidestepping/ignoring how we arrived to a position. to my mind actions have consequences and to call past actions whataboutism/false equilance is a cop out and denial of global interests. there are no goodies here, there are opposing interests and opposing propaganda.

TLDR: the expressions whataboutism and false equivalance should not be referenced in any political debate, or if used should be used sparingly, noting its inherently flawed to look at an event in isolation. better to understand how we arrived at a point.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 7 2022 10:35am

Whataboutism and False equivalences ? Using it from time to time to enhance the level of discussion ? Can be interesting with honest people.

But if you want to kill the debate, to troll/harass people, to kill a sub/topic, or to spread propaganda: Use it systematically.

not you, but, but there are several regular posters in this subforum (thankfully they only post in this thread sparingly) that use these expressions as often as they breath.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 7 2022 11:02am

Let me add the third one: "Anti-All"; with that there's no "side" anymore, simply flame the one or the other by using the two processes above, with a pinch of conspiracist theories, and feel intellectually superior

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wow some interesting news:

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-724293

Russia stops using Iranian drones because of Ukrainian winter
The materials used by Iran for its drones cannot survive the freezing temperatures of the Ukrainian winter.
Official sources in Ukraine said that "Russia has temporarily stopped using Iran-made drones" on Tuesday, according to Business Insider.
According to the report, Russia stopped using the drones because they cannot stand the cold of the Ukrainian winter.
The report said that Ukrainian sources claimed that Russia hasn't used an Iran-made drone since November 17, the first day it began to snow in Ukraine, and the weather sank below zero degrees. Speaker of the Joint Forces Command for Strategic Communications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Yevgeny Silkin said that "the plastic materials and other materials [used in the drones] cannot stand the freezing climate in Ukraine."

Sounds... Solid.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Dec 7 2022 11:31am

i would tend to believe that report.

This forum is called Political & Religious Debate. People posting here should realize that other people don't necessarily agree with their political or religious stance.

Imagine being so disturbed that you post here and claim that other people here are "the anti-all trashes trolls" and "D2JSP PARD fascists"

Putin supporting his brave soldiers who are trying to save Russia from Nazis:

Interesting:

I wish they would do the same in shitholes full of nazis like Croatia.
(no i dont want to trigger anyone)

TODAY:



This post was edited by Meanwhile on Dec 7 2022 12:08pm