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Dec 5 2022 11:36am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Dec 5 2022 08:25pm)
Read what I posted. "Russia is an unreliable supplier because of its dictators actions"

Are you proud of Putins actions?
Do you think a majority of Russians support their dictator?
Has the special military operation been a success, in your opinion?


Calling Russia unreliable due to "dictatorship" whilst signing deals with Qatar (100% dictatorship) is pure contradiction.

1. Pride is related to personal emotions, of which I have none towards him.
2. I think a majority supports Putin without a doubt. Putin has always been popular in Russia, and during war/conflict leaders many times become very popular (an example would be Bush approval rating 9/11, and after)

3. That is more difficult question, it is also often purposely used as deception. Truth is that, Russia went into Ukraine with 180k men, a country of 40+million. Nobody believes sensibly that 180k could take on a country of that size, as an example US went into Iraq a significantly smaller and far weaker(sanctions since 1991 crushed Iraq) country with 500k+ soldiers + 50k peshmerga.

So the objective, obviously wasn't taking Ukraine but rather forcing it to negotiate on Russian terms. This was almost achieved in Istanbul negotiations, but then the US sent Boris who managed to convince zelensky to not sign the deal. This is well known, so that in turn has changed the tune and it is slowly turning into a real war. The results of the war are still to be seen, we still don't know what Russia wants to do, but we will know depending on how they use their 300k mobilized troops and if there is another mobilization wave or not.(300k mobilized troops is still like 300-500k too few if you want to dominate the conflict).

4.Read what i write, and read what you write. Everything you say is filled with emotions, moralism, propaganda and other shit that doesn't belong.

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Dec 5 2022 11:38am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 6 Dec 2022 01:25)
Read what I posted. "Russia is an unreliable supplier because of its dictators actions"

Are you proud of Putins actions?
Do you think a majority of Russians support their dictator?
Has the special military operation been a success, in your opinion?


You can still buy from them if you don't sanction them which makes them reliable.

Netherlands are going to lift those energy sanctions.

The only reason why it will turn out to be non reliable is when US and UK do some magic trick on their pipelines.
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Dec 5 2022 11:40am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Dec 5 2022 08:38pm)
You can still buy from them if you don't sanction them which makes them reliable.

Netherlands are going to lift those energy sanctions.

The only reason why it will turn out to be non reliable is when US and UK do some magic trick on their pipelines.


1+, compared to the US, Russia is an extremely reliable trading partner.

I would argue that Russia is more reliable trading partner than China, US, Germany, Japan, Korea etc

It is very rare to see Russians approaching trading through a political lense. Fucksakes, they sold s400 to their enemy turkey. You have to be completely deranged and filled with propaganda to think that Russia is an "unreliable" trading partner.

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Dec 5 2022 11:43am
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1+, compared to the US, Russia is an extremely reliable trading partner.

I would argue that Russia is more reliable trading partner than China, US, Germany, Japan, Korea etc


You are right on the China part for sure.
The Chinese will cut you off on certain stuff if you outright tell them that you are going antagonize them. Australia is a good example. Same as Taiwan.
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Dec 5 2022 11:44am
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You are right on the China part for sure.
The Chinese will cut you off on certain stuff if you outright tell them that you are going antagonize them. Australia is a good example. Same as Taiwan.


Like I said, Russia will even sell S400 to their outright enemies. (turkey)

Chinese and US are extremely unreliable trading partners. I would never depend on either of them 100%, and always diversify.

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Dec 5 2022 11:48am
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Like I said, Russia will even sell S400 to their outright enemies. (turkey)

Chinese and US are extremely unreliable trading partners. I would never depend on either of them 100%, and always diversify.


There is one way to get the Chinese to be more reliable. Just don't touch on the Taiwanese issue. The diplomacy of the Albanese government in Australia just scored a couple of wins last two weeks.
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Dec 5 2022 11:52am
A dictator who threatens you with nuclear weapons, is reliable.

This is the mindset we are dealing with.
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Dec 5 2022 12:03pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 6 Dec 2022 01:43)
You are right on the China part for sure.
The Chinese will cut you off on certain stuff if you outright tell them that you are going antagonize them. Australia is a good example. Same as Taiwan.


Do you feel that sometimes you are speaking to people like that?

:rofl:

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Dec 5 2022 12:04pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Dec 5 2022 06:52pm)
A dictator who threatens you with nuclear weapons, is reliable.

This is the mindset we are dealing with.


EU/NATO agenda pushing for expansion East is what we are dealing with

Fixed it for ya
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Dec 5 2022 12:08pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Dec 5 2022 09:03pm)
Do you feel that sometimes you are speaking to people like that?

:rofl:

https://i.imgur.com/rzrTfdam.jpg


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