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Mar 15 2022 01:47pm
Quote (fender @ Mar 15 2022 02:42pm)
doesn't ring true at all tbh. post cold war decrease of tensions between russia and the west was extremely profitable for russian business, especially trade with european NATO members, so quite the opposite of your claim.


What is the purpose of NATO?
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Mar 15 2022 01:50pm
Very good interview with a foreign fighter. It's not stated but he must be an Israeli combat veteran

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A British man who travelled to Ukraine to join the military fight against Russia's invasion says he left the warzone amid fears he was facing a "suicide mission".

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-briton-who-travelled-to-warzone-to-join-military-fight-against-russia-leaves-over-suicide-mission-fears-12566254?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
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Quote (fender @ 15 Mar 2022 19:10)
ummm... russia did great business with germany, and last time i checked we were a NATO member. again, NATO is a military alliance, not an economic one, and its members are free to trade with whomever they see fit.

regarding kaliningrad oblast: the whole point, and why it's relevant that poland also shares a border with russia, is that it's NOT just some irrelevant "turd", but a strategically important location, containing russia's only ice-free port on the baltic sea.


It should also be mentioned that Kaliningrad allows the Russians to deploy its nukes much closer to Paris/London/Berlin. Kaliningrad cuts down the time their nukes would be in the air between their launch and their detonation in European cities from 10 to 4 minutes or something along these lines, which makes it infinitely harder to intercept them. Hence, Kaliningrad is instrumental in Russia's ability to maintain MAD in the face of advances in anti-missile tech.

This, rather than the ice-free port on the Baltic Sea, is the true value of Kaliningrad.

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Mar 15 2022 01:58pm
1. ultra confident self starter
2. well meaning but completely out of his depth.
not surprised by any of that.
both of those posts are very relevant ty both.
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A British man who travelled to Ukraine to join the military fight against Russia's invasion says he left the warzone amid fears he was facing a "suicide mission".

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-briton-who-travelled-to-warzone-to-join-military-fight-against-russia-leaves-over-suicide-mission-fears-12566254?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter


"British"




Are the Russian people behind this war at all? Is aggregate indifference a sign of a weak population? I've only heard mixed things through censored channels, but my impression is the Russian people are largely against this. At first, there was more speech protest before government anti-speech efforts, now people that are stopped and interviewed on the streets do not discuss at all out of fear. In private, former colleagues out of St. Petersburg and Minsk express great shame and also surprise. From past conversations years ago, these colleagues would prefer not to speak of Putin/Russia and would say things like 'it does not matter my political opinion, the government does as it likes in Russia'.

I've only heard things in recent years like 'Russians are the last men on Earth' - Don Frye The Predator
* Fedor is even from Ukraine

However, it seems pathetically weak of a populace to take an indifference stance when your own kin are being victimized by a pale pasty.

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i will reiterate: What other option did russia have, in your opinion, to maintain its security concerns.

note that i had asked this of you already here ->


it's literally in the post you quoted there, you're really struggling with reading comprehension, huh?

the same option russia had before poland joined and the baltic states: NOT to invade them.

Quote (thesnipa @ 15 Mar 2022 20:47)
What is the purpose of NATO?


what's the purpose of shifting away from trade? could you please elaborate or support your claim that countries joining NATO was bad for russian business? because to me that simply doesn't ring true.
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Its a completely different, suppressed nation < Russia >. quite similar to China in alot of regards "do as you are told or else".

Quote (fender @ Mar 15 2022 08:05pm)
it's literally in the post you quoted there, you're really struggling with reading comprehension, huh?

the same option russia had before poland joined and the baltic states: NOT to invade them.

what's the purpose of shifting away from trade? could you please elaborate or support your claim that countries joining NATO was bad for russian business? because to me that simply doesn't ring true.


you are being foolish (still). if Russia did not invade, how could it safeguard its interests ? trying to talk to you is very tiring.


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Quote (ferdia @ 15 Mar 2022 21:07)
Its a completely different, suppressed nation < Russia >. quite similar to China in alot of regards "do as you are told or else".



you are being foolish (still). if Russia did not invade, how could it safeguard its interests ? trying to talk to you is very tiring.


easy: withdraw their troops from the border, normalise relations, trade.

if you disagree, please specify what legitimate "interest" regarding a sovereign nation pootin has that forced him to go to war.
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