Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 29 2023 06:06pm)

It definitely can't be fixed simply with money. It has to be fixed by creating incentive structures that keep the money in the neighborhoods and builds them up.

Building a fancy new set of houses nobody can afford doesn't fix anything, but rezoning to allow businesses to be placed there, not actively abusing the population with racist laws, not actively and illegally stopping them from voting, and creating incentive structures for education definitely would.

I'm noticing these are all things conseravtives are against. Since they are explicitly pro gentrification, anti mixed zoning, pro drug laws and police abuse, pro illegal voter suppression, and anti public education.

Funny how that works. It's almost like one side doesn't have it exactly right but the other side (conservatives and Republicans) are actively and maliciously trying to make it worse.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 29 2023 05:14pm)

Lol. Once again, externalize the blame. Those evil capitalists choosing to invest where they want!! Those damn evil zoning laws from republicans! That's it! That's the reason! If we only fix this!

The fundamental issue is moral relativism which has wreaked havoc on black inner city families, enabled at least in part by the welfare state replacing fathers. Why stay with my boyfriend and get married and raise this kid, when I know government will provide me with section 8 housing, food stamps, free healthcare, and so on.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 29 2023 03:14pm)

Lol. Once again, externalize the blame. Those evil capitalists choosing to invest where they want!! Those damn evil zoning laws from republicans! That's it! That's the reason! If we only fix this!

The fundamental issue is moral relativism which has wreaked havoc on black inner city families, enabled at least in part by the welfare state replacing fathers. Why stay with my boyfriend and get married and raise this kid, when I know government will provide me with section 8 housing, food stamps, free healthcare, and so on.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 29 2023 03:00pm)

Because the why is secondary to the discussion. Because the 'why' has been addressed a million times and there is no simple solutions. Because the whole point of you asking why is to shift blame and externalize it.

My position is simple and I wish you could simply accept it and not try to ask 'but why' in a endless loop: Blacks are over-represented in violent crime statistics, period. There are socio-economic reasons why that is but that doesn't somehow excuse the violent acts on a individual level because ultimately as a person with self will you decide what choices to make in life.

Simple example.

A black kid grows up in a single house hold because his dad left even before he was born. At 12 he starts selling drugs small time most of the time skipping school. Even before that age, his mom never placed much emphasis on him doing well academically and just let him grow up with little to no discipline, basically raised by the hood. By his early 20s he is selling hard drugs in bigger quantities and becomes gang affiliated. He eventually ends up killing some other black guy from a rival gang that was selling drugs on his corner.

The first 3 sentences are they "why" he got to the point but that doesn't serve as mitigant or a valid reason why society should say "oh well there are all these reasons why he turned out this way and ended up killing someone therefore it's not his fault"

Now apply this on a macro scale. The socio-economic issues plaguing inner city blacks are not all external things that you think daddy government can simply step in and somehow mitigate or fix. Social issues like family cohesion, fatherlessness, emphasis on education and discipline, etc. have to come from within. These issues can't be fixed with more money either. That's why pretty much every sociologist and politician understands these issues but decades later they are only getting worse no matter the amount of money we throw to fix it.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 29 2023 07:26pm)

Man I love how you contradict yourself in the span of only a couple sentences. When I give specific policy oriented solutions it's "externalizing the blame", but when it's welfare policy it's "the fundamental issue". Almost like you just hate black people and want all support to be cut, and contradictions in your positions be damned.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 29 2023 06:47pm)

Do you believe there's a non-socio-economic factor, even just one, for why "Blacks are over-represented in violent crime statistics, period"?

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jan 29 2023 05:47pm)

Lol man you are arguing in pretty bad faith right now to be honest, you don't seem interested in a nuanced opinion, just how you can twist whatever he says into some declaration of intense hatred for black people.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 29 2023 07:58pm)

I've known void for a long time. This isn't the result of a single interaction, although his line of argument here is more than enough even if that wasn't the case.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 29 2023 03:56pm)

You keep going back to these same questions. What does this even mean or what are you even alluding to?