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Feb 13 2020 01:00am
Quote (fender @ Feb 13 2020 01:43am)
so you're going with the 'too stupid to realise stephen miller is a white supremacist' approach. i mean, you're undeniably stupid, that much is true - but this is so obvious, and your continued attempts to downplay the content of his emails, his policies, and his actions, clearly suggest it's one of the other scenarios: either you being too petty to accept ANY evidence, apart from him outright stating that he's a proud white nationalist (and even then you would probably claim he's 'just trolling' to 'own the libs', such is your disconnect), or that you're defending him because he's an integral part of the trump cult, or maybe you just simply share his views.

none of the options is particularly flattering, and more importantly, none of them means that you're not at the very least a white nationalist apologist. so spare me your pathetic pearl clutching and strawmanning, brownshirt.


Your delusions and unearned arrogance have caused you to overlook the reality that I am wildly more intelligent and informed than you are, and am neither 'stupid' nor a white supremacist.

Typical sub-80 fender fashion. Dont like that someone disagreed with you and called out the smears and filth you posted? Just call them names.
Pathetic.

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either you being too petty to accept ANY evidence, apart from him outright stating that he's a proud white nationalist

Its almost as if criticizing the laughable smears made by the SPLC and "being too petty to accept ANY evidence" aren't the only options here.
Try being honest once in awhile. I know its uncomfortable admitting you have been acting like scum for years without being at all justified.
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Feb 13 2020 01:10am
Curious what the TDS child makes of this one:

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It is impossible for anybody to actually quote Stephen Miller and prove that’s he supports white nationalist ideology, a task that would be fairly simple if he did. Instead, the left-wing media and their friends at SPLC use quotes from actual white nationalists, even Adolf Hitler, to filler the article and brutally manipulate an association with Stephen Miller.

For example, Michael Edison Hayden writes:

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“Miller refers to President Calvin Coolidge multiple times in emails to Breitbart. Coolidge signed the Immigration Act of 1924. The legislation was based on eugenics and severely limited immigration from certain parts of the world into the United States. White nationalists lionize Coolidge, in part for his remarks condemning race mixing.

‘There are racial considerations too grave to be brushed aside for any sentimental reasons,’ Coolidge wrote in a 1921 magazine article, as quoted on American Renaissance. ‘Biological laws tell us that certain divergent people will not mix or blend. … Quality of mind and body suggests that observance of ethnic law is as great a necessity to a nation as immigration law.’

In ‘Mein Kampf,’ Hitler portrayed the U.S. law as a potential model for the Nazis in Germany.”


Quite the buildup! Let’s examine what Stephen Miller actually writes about President Calvin Coolidge in his emails published towards the end of the same hit piece:

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Murch, Aug. 4, 2015, 6:22 p.m. ET: “Mark Levin just said there should be no immigration for several years. Not just cut the number down from the current 1 million green cards per year. For assimilation purposes.”

Miller, Aug. 4, 2015, 6:23 p.m. ET: “Like Coolidge did. Kellyanne Conway poll says that is exactly what most Americans want after 40 years of non-stop record arrivals.”

And this:

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Miller, Sept. 13, 2015, 7:53 p.m. ET: “this is a good chance to expose that ridiculous statue of liberty myth. Poem has nothing to do with it: [Link] Indeed, two decades after poem was added, Coolidge shut down immigration. No one said he was violating the Statue of Liberty’s purpose…


And finally, this one:

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Miller, April 28, 2015, 11:38 p.m. ET: Something tells me there is not a Calvin Coolidge exhibit.


Damning, isn’t it?

What you just read is one of the most obvious examples of sophistry; using information to deceive. The SPLC uses a charged history about President Calvin Coolidge, white nationalists, Hitler and the Nazis that is totally irrelevant in order to cause an emotional reaction in the reader. That way, the readers are less likely to use rationality and judgement when they finally look through the Stephen Miller emails themselves (which I encourage everyone to do).

The Southern Poverty Law Center has a sordid record of using it’s “hate group” watch list to equate innocuous people and organizations to groups like neo-Nazis. This horrendous practice has spurred events like a shooting at an Orthodox Christian public advocacy organization. A gunman, hellbent on committing a masacre, opened fired on employees at Family Research Council and planned on rubbing Chick-fil-A sandwiches on the corpses.


https://creativedestructionmedia.com/news/politics/2019/12/23/stephen-miller-is-not-a-white-nationalist/

'omg you are questioning the despicable tactics, that makes you a white supremacist too' :rolleyes:

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Feb 13 2020 01:11am
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Bernie best hope he doesn't get the nomination. The DNC will have to heart attack him then.
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He recommended a popular anti-mass immigration book.


this part in particular is incredibly revealing concerning your actual stance on the issue: on the one hand you try to downplay your repeated descriptions of 'the camp of the saints' as just an "award-winning book" as merely offhanded and thoughtless comments, but on the other hand you're doubling down on your attempts to whitewash that racist filth, pivoting to an equally harmless sounding, and misleading description: "popular anti mass-immigration book". you just can't help it, can you? "austere religious scholar" comes to mind...

here's the reality: the racist novel 'the camp of the saints', which is particularly popular amongst white supremacists, is perpetuating the 'white genocide' conspiracy, and prominently features extremely dehumanising and disgusting portrayals of immigrants, in order to do so - and stephen miller not just "recommended" it, he suggested that breitbart, another white nationalist favourite, ran stories drawing parallels between the portrayal of immigrants in the novel and the current US border / immigration situation.

the fact that you consistently and dishonestly try to downplay that undeniable fact, in favour of more innocent sounding spins, strongly suggests to me that you actually share some of his views. what it most definitely confirms, is that you're at the very least an apologist for white nationalists, and likely worse...

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Feb 13 2020 01:29am
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this is so funny, and so revealing at the same time: on the one hand you try to downplay your repeated descriptions of 'the camp of the saints' as just an "award-winning book" as merely offhanded and thoughtless comments, but on the other hand you're doubling down on your attempts to whitewash that racist filth, pivoting to an equally harmless sounding, and misleading description: "popular anti mass-immigration book". you just can't help it, can you? "austere religious scholar" comes to mind...

here's the reality: the racist novel 'the camp of the saints', which is particularly popular amongst white supremacists, is perpetuating the 'white genocide' conspiracy, and prominently featuring extremely dehumanising and disgusting portrayals of immigrants, in order to do so - and stephen miller not just 'recommended' it, he suggested that breitbart, another white nationalist favourite, ran stories drawing parallels between the portrayal of immigrants in 'camp of the saints' and the current US border / immigration situation.

the fact that you consistently and dishonestly try to downplay that undeniable fact, in favour of more innocent sounding spins, strongly suggests to me that you actually share some of his views. what it most definitely confirms, is that you're at the very least an apologist for white nationalists, and likely worse...


You are quadrupling down on the same idiotic claims without showing a hint of honesty or integrity.

Reciting the SPLC smear merchants word for word and declaring that to be the unquestionable 'reality' doesn't make it so.

No one cares what you have to say. You are wrong and scum, just like always. Go away.

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Feb 13 2020 01:38am
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You are quadrupling down on the same idiotic claims without showing a hint of honesty or integrity.

Reciting the SPLC smear merchants word for word and declaring that to be the unquestionable 'reality' doesn't make it so.

No one cares what you have to say. You are wrong and scum, just like always. Go away.


camboy's descriptions of racist novel 'the camp of the saints':

- award-winning book
- popular anti mass-immigration book


camboy's description of someone calling out his excuses for racist propaganda and white nationalists trying to perpetuate it:

- scum
- garbage person
- dishonest


there's literally nothing i could say to insult you more than your own words do, and the people you're bending over backwards to make excuses for...


oh, and just for the record, obviously the SPLC did not just fabricate stephen miller's emails. they are very much a FACT, unchallenged by him. just another disingenuous little attempt to justify your disgusting views.

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Feb 13 2020 01:43am
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You are quadrupling down on the same idiotic claims without showing a hint of honesty or integrity.

Reciting the SPLC smear merchants word for word and declaring that to be the unquestionable 'reality' doesn't make it so.

No one cares what you have to say. You are wrong and scum, just like always. Go away.


Are you saying the book is not racist and xenophobic?
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Are you saying the book is not racist and xenophobic?


inb4: "i never made a comment about the book, and i don't care. "award-winning" is just a fact, as is "anti mass-immigration". it's not poor stephen's fault who else likes it. all i'm saying is that you're not a white nationalist for merely recommending a book." or some blatantly dishonest, typical camboy pivot along those lines.

meanwhile he unironically quotes far right propaganda websites (while at the same time constantly smearing the SPLC), featuring intellectual masterpiece aruments like 'you can't PROVE it with just one single out of context quote, and he's jewish - so he can't be a white supremacist'...
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Feb 13 2020 02:33am
Quote (fender @ Feb 13 2020 02:38am)
camboy's descriptions of racist novel 'the camp of the saints':

- award-winning book
- popular anti mass-immigration book


camboy's description of someone calling out his excuses for racist propaganda and white nationalists trying to perpetuate it:

- scum
- garbage person
- dishonest


there's literally nothing i could say to insult you more than your own words do, and the people you're bending over backwards to make excuses for...


oh, and just for the record, obviously the SPLC did not just fabricate stephen miller's emails. they are very much a FACT, unchallenged by him. just another disingenuous little attempt to justify your disgusting views.


Those are accurate descriptions of a TDS loser who falsely smears people as white supremacists.

No one is claiming they fabricated his emails. They are calling into question the shady tactic of linking the mere mention of Coolidge to literally Hitler.
sub 80 Reading comprehension/10

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Feb 13 2020 02:36am
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Feb 13 2020 02:50am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 13 2020 02:43am)
Are you saying the book is not racist and xenophobic?


No. From what I understand the book is a dystopian anti-mass-immigration fictional novel written in the 1970s. Obviously it doesn't pass the 21st century SJW test.
That doesn't mean everyone who knows it or likes it is a white supremacist or that it doesn't contain meaningful content and concerns.
I haven't read it myself so I don't know the entire content.

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inb4: "i never made a comment about the book, and i don't care. "award-winning" is just a fact, as is "anti mass-immigration". it's not poor stephen's fault who else likes it. all i'm saying is that you're not a white nationalist for merely recommending a book." or some blatantly dishonest, typical camboy pivot along those lines.


saying 'inb4' and 'pivot' while making up quotes doesn't actually refute my arguments and clearly valid positions.

You recognized calling a jew a white supremacist based on nothing solid is a problematic position and you tried to get ahead of it.
You are also paraphrasing the obviously true point that bad people also liking a book doesn't mean you share the worst characteristics of those people, contrary to the smears and insinuations of your disgraced SPLC article.

You are dishonest trash scrambling to justify a lost position.

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