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May 1 2019 07:39pm
Lol that idiot knows nothing about automation or is paid not to know. Kek
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May 1 2019 07:48pm
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Spend some time at home playing video games, and within a few months, you will be utterly convinced of the meaninglessness and pointlessness of life.


jokes on him i thought this even when i worked lmaooo

/now gimme my fricking $1000

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May 1 2019 07:50pm
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Lol that idiot knows nothing about automation or is paid not to know. Kek


I don't see him affirming or denying automation. It's possible for automation to be killing jobs and his point to be simultaneously true. There's a wealth of studies out there that prove his 'work is good for you' point
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May 1 2019 07:51pm
I find it pretty interesting how many random money guys that make a good chunk of change and know them a thing or two about da finances have that weird outlook like 1k all the sudden destroys drive and purpose by making life so easy all the sudden and there is 18 hours a day of free time

1. even 1k ain't doing that
2. it won't be 1k anyone that knows politics knows that
3. ain't everybody gonna get it at first or anytime in the near future

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I find it pretty interesting how many random money guys that make a good chunk of change and know them a thing or two about da finances have that weird outlook like 1k all the sudden destroys drive and purpose by making life so easy all the sudden and there is 18 hours a day of free time

1. even 1k ain't doing that
2. it won't be 1k anyone that knows politics knows that
3. ain't everybody gonna get it at first or anytime in the near future


No need to take the extreme position imo. It won't destroy drive for all but it certainly will reduce the drive for some in a population of 330 million.

Like if I consider myself for example. I want to work for a very long time, as long as my body & mind allows me to. That doesn't mean I want to be a wage slave 9-5 all day every day. I want to work, but ideally, I would like to have flexible hours with time off whenever I feel like it. Now with that being said, if I was getting some amount of free money which allows me to maintain my desired level of comfort while working a flexible job for less money compared to a 9-5 I might just choose the shittier but flexible job. If I was getting 1 grand a month for free right now, I know my short term decision making would be different at least for the next few months.

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No need to take the extreme position imo. It won't destroy drive for all but it certainly will reduce the drive for some in a population of 330 million.

Like if I consider myself for example. I want to work for a very long time, as long as my body & mind allows me to. That doesn't mean I want to be a wage slave 9-5 all day every day. I want to work, but ideally, I would like to have flexible hours with time off whenever I feel like it. Now with that being said, if I was getting some amount of free money which allows me to maintain my desired level of comfort while working a flexible job for less money compared to a 9-5 I might just choose the shittier but flexible job. If I was getting 1 grand a month for free right now, I know my short term decision making would be different.


it's an argument against the extreme that isn't going to happen by people that like their job/life and are in safer work

realistically what are we talking here? a few types of jobs would get what? 400-600$ if everything went well? and that's probably optimistic

Yang is the only one talking about this, he's being reasonable about it and people are going the welfare queen argument

this is literally the one politician facing a big problem coming and he is doing it pragmatically

what a political unicorn we have on our hands here and people wanna fight against it like in the opinion you posted? nah
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No need to take the extreme position imo. It won't destroy drive for all but it certainly will reduce the drive for some in a population of 330 million.

Like if I consider myself for example. I want to work for a very long time, as long as my body & mind allows me to. That doesn't mean I want to be a wage slave 9-5 all day every day. I want to work, but ideally, I would like to have flexible hours with time off whenever I feel like it. Now with that being said, if I was getting some amount of free money which allows me to maintain my desired level of comfort while working a flexible job for less money compared to a 9-5 I might just choose the shittier but flexible job. If I was getting 1 grand a month for free right now, I know my short term decision making would be different at least for the next few months.


People only need work in the broadest sense. Creative work is still fulfilling even if it isnt materially productive.

We basically need a UBI that allows existence, but not comfort. That way theres still incentive to work but enough of a safety net to allow security in the event of failure. Thats why we have a ssafety net at all, because if failure means you starve youre probably not going to take that new idea to market even if its a really good idea
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May 1 2019 08:27pm
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People only need work in the broadest sense. Creative work is still fulfilling even if it isnt materially productive.

We basically need a UBI that allows existence, but not comfort. That way theres still incentive to work but enough of a safety net to allow security in the event of failure. Thats why we have a ssafety net at all, because if failure means you starve youre probably not going to take that new idea to market even if its a really good idea


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Quote (Beowulf @ May 1 2019 07:10pm)
it's an argument against the extreme that isn't going to happen by people that like their job/life and are in safer work

realistically what are we talking here? a few types of jobs would get what? 400-600$ if everything went well? and that's probably optimistic

Yang is the only one talking about this, he's being reasonable about it and people are going the welfare queen argument

this is literally the one politician facing a big problem coming and he is doing it pragmatically

what a political unicorn we have on our hands here and people wanna fight against it like in the opinion you posted? nah


It's an opinion piece that makes at least one valid point. Not really fighting, more like discussing civilly.

Right now I'm working 9-630 at a pretty stressful job. I'm most likely going to grad school in the fall so this job doesn't mean that much to me long term. If I was getting 1/k a month every month i can tell you right now that I would be extremely tempted to quit and go spend 1-2 months being a beach bum in Greece. It's not only knowing that I'm getting it now but the fact that I know i will be getting it in the future. That safety net alters decision making.
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May 1 2019 08:31pm
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It's an opinion piece that makes at least one valid point. Not really fighting, more like discussing civilly.

Right now I'm working 9-630 at a pretty stressful job. I'm most likely going to grad school in the fall so this job doesn't mean that much to me long term. If I was getting 1/k a month every month i can tell you right now that I would be extremely tempted to quit and go spend 1-2 months being a beach bum in Greece. It's not only knowing that I'm getting it now but the fact that I know i will be getting it in the future. That safety net alters decision making.


Good. I support Yang/Tulsi 2020 even more now

We don't deserve 'em but by god we need 'em
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