Quote (inkanddagger @ Mar 19 2019 09:52am)

I was listening to a Republican recently pushing a narrative that Iran should be held accountable for the operations mishaps of those they lend to. The Republican kept insisting that this was a legitimate reason for economic sanctions and military intervention in Iran. He also seemed surprised that Iran isn’t the only state or private firm to lend to Hamas.

I’m sure when someone drives drunk and kills someone, that Republican would want the car executive’s family executed by drones and any remaining children to be starved by financial sanctions.

Also, pipelines spill less often but they spill more. Leaks from pipelines also take much longer to discover, leading to larger volumes. And they tend to run through environmentally sensitive areas that aren’t as easy to access as rail lines. There are also around 150,000 miles of rail to 50,000 miles of pipelines, making rail transport a lot more flexible. But of course, the vast majority of people who oppose pipelines aren’t looking to shift infrastructure to rail, they are looking to reduce production and shift technologies. You already know that though, so your critique is disingenuous at best. In the meantime, rail transport is statistically better for the environment.

“For the amount of oil spilled per billion-ton-miles, it’s truck worse than pipeline worse than rail worse than boat (Congressional Research Service). Even more different is for environmental impact (dominated by impact to aquatic habitat), where it’s boat worse than pipeline worse than truck worse than rail.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2018/10/11/which-is-safer-for-transporting-crude-oil-rail-truck-pipeline-or-boat/#c9f27b27b237

I am amused at how many Republicans here are piling on with their bad information, self congratulating the false claims of other Republicans. What a disgusting, proto-intellectual circle jerk.

Quote (djman72 @ Mar 19 2019 07:46am)

I don't think that clip is going anywhere near democratic propaganda. She was obliterated by simple thought. She's stated that her experience as a bartender was invaluable to her congressional duties - not much help in this instance.

Seems like most of the freshman (D) congress women are embroiled in controversy. Anyone check Omar's twitter last night?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 19 Mar 2019 19:49)

Why would you expect anything good out of any Justice Democrat candidate who primaried an incumbent in a district where no other party runs, when they gain millions of followers overnight due to the endorsement of the Young Turks?

It's more appalling to me that AOC is a House Representative without having to face a general district election at all, and was able to win the primary with a mere 16k votes in a district with a population of 691K people. Keeping in mind as well that no independent, green party, libertarian, republican, etc. could vote in that primary at all.

Suffice it to say, when she's up next, it'll be a tougher battlefield. Especially given her blunder over Amazon.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 19 2019 12:02pm)

What are you even talking about? She defeated Joe Crowley, the most powerful democratic congressional politician in all of NY city and the number 3 or 4 democrat in the house, the guy who would have been next in line for Speaker after Pelosi steps down. Crowley easily had the money and the influence to crush AOC like a pesky fly. That he instead dramatically underestimated his primary opponent, slacked off and didnt show up in his district or at least bought enough ads is entirely his fault. His neglect is the only thing that opened a window of opportunity for AOC to knock him off in an extremely low turnout race in the first place. Crowley losing to AOC in that primary is one of the most epic failures of recent electoral history.

Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 19 2019 10:40am)

We obviously have legislation that restricts the ability of banks (and states) to lend to known criminal and terrorist enterprises.

If pipelines are a problem, perhaps AOC should dedicate more effort to correcting congressional failures, and less time speaking on issues she clearly doesn't understand.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 19 Mar 2019 20:28)

I'm not excusing his stupidity. He served for what, 10 terms? He took his win for granted. So did his supporters. Only what, just shy of 13K showed up to vote for him? So yeah, around 29k votes out of a 691K population district, with the Justice Democrats candidate dropping millions on her campaign, Crowley dropping next to nothing.

He was arrogant and stupid, she was an unknown that only a tiny fringe even cared about. And some 70% of the district couldn't vote at all.

Democracy! Pfft.

Quote (Goomshill @ 19 Mar 2019 20:49)

https://i.imgur.com/6XMqrsG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/B4Dxudk.jpg

which looks worse to you guys?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 19 2019 12:54pm)

Well, nobody was stopping the other 80% of registered democrats in the district from voting in that primary. Now they have to live with the outcome. Although I'm afraid that many constituents actually like AOC, she seems to be a good fit for her district.